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LM3150: lm3150

Part Number: LM3150
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5017

Tool/software:

Hello:

Can the LM3150 be used to drive a coupled inductor ?

If so, can it have a "step  up" conversion from 36 to 120V at 200W?

As if it was a "flyback" converter? But not a "std flyback" with a few kHz BW.

If you follow our discussions here in the Forum recently, we are looking for an isolated 36v input to output 100V / 200W converter but with a very fast response loop. You can see why in the Forum discussions.

COT is one such method.

Clearly, the switch must be external.

The controller also must be able to change output voltage fast enough so that the load sees a "flat top" very high pulse current with low duty cycle. So that average power output is 200W.

This means the output voltage has to track the sensed current pulse "envelop" & keep it with "flat top" during the pulse time. That is 400usec.

DC feedback with a slow current sensor won't do it. Because  current pulse would droop for sure.

We do have a very fast current sensor.

LM5017 would have done the job but it has internal low power low voltage switches.

Hence interest in LM3150 but it is billed as "buck" controller with COT.

Yet it is not unusual to transform such a controller  to drive a coupled inductor.

Then our plan is to change Vref pretty much as you would do in a Class D audio amp-- change Vref to change Vout thus a fast tracking of the current sensed by deriving a voltage from the sensed signal.

So we need an external Vref pin!

Which is not in LM 3150 .

One could think of using RTT8811B-00 from Richtek...they have no contact in the US...and we prefer full support for such tough problems..hence TI is first & perhaps the only line of defense!

What other nodes do we have to track the 100v output envelop over 400 usec?

Any comments would be of great value to us.

-r

  • Hello: Oops: LM5017 can indeed be used as buckflybuck.

    Let me try modeling it in the TINATI

    In order to study this critical project, I am thinking of  using SW node to drive a MOSFET & do a flyback.

    But it does not seem to like it...although I have not spent hours figuring it ...but can the SW node be used in this fashion?

    Appreciate any comments & /or some other circuit.

    -rLM5017rg.TSC

  • Hi Robin,

    Thanks for your interest in Ti products. Let me go through the requirements of your project and check the devices. I will get back to you within one or two days.

    Also please share the link of previous forum discussion that you have mentioned.

    Regards

    Arpita

  • Hello Arpita: 

    The Forum discussions are right here!

    But you can ignore them...

    Here is the interesting issue: I tried to  add a "flybuck" stage in the LM5017 TINATI model.

    A few things to observe:

    #1 The flybuck coupled inductor just wont work if you do not choose turns ratio 1:1. It ignores ratios close to 1.

    Just would not work for any other ratrio.

    Does it mean that coupled inductor simply cannot do a step up conversion? 

    #2 Should the feedback be derived from the stepped up secondary to get step-up conversion?

    #3 Is it fair to assume COT's main attraction of being a fast transient controller is not in the behavioral-model? Because I do not see any spectacular "transient response" ...but maybe my way of implementing it is not correct?

    We are planning to buy the LM3150 Evalkit: but with need to modify it with magnetics for step-up to 100V at 300 W!!! External switches will help...

    Can you pl search TI side if this is at all possible? There does not seem existence of a "theoretical inherent limit"..

    We need a topology that takes 28V input DC, converts to 100V/300W with very fast transient. ...thinking COT will do it...

    LMK.

    appreciate

    -r

  • Hi Robin,

    LM5017 may not be able to give 300W output, especially with flybuck configurations.

    For Flyback controllers, you can check products in Ti.com according to your operating conditions

    AC/DC & DC/DC controllers (external FET) product selection | TI.com

    Regards

    Arpita