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TLV431A: Vref Deviation and Load Regulation Instability (Post-4M Lot)

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Part Number: TLV431A

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Hi,

My customer is evaluating TLV431AIDBVR devices from a post-process-changed lot (PCN#20241217004.1) and have identified notable degradation in performance compared to previous lots.

■ Observations

The 4M lot exhibits worse static load regulation (ΔVo):

From approximately +5 mV → +25 mV under identical conditions (VIN = 76 V, IOUT = 1.35 A).

This voltage deviation correlates with a change in the shunt reference voltage (ΔVref), where the REF pin shows a periodic voltage dip of ~200 mV, synchronized with the inverter’s switching cycle. The drop in Vref becomes more pronounced at higher load currents, indicating increased noise sensitivity.

Adding a 2200 pF capacitor between the K and A terminals successfully mitigates both Vref fluctuation and output voltage deviation—restoring performance close to the original lot.

○ ΔVo = Static Load Regulation [mV]

Vin [V] Before Change 4M Lot 4M + 1000pF 4M + 2200pF
36 5.0 23.1 7.9 4.5
48 4.3 23.4 7.7 4.5
76 4.6 24.3 7.6 4.7

○ Shunt Reference Voltage ΔVref [mV]

Vin [V] Before Change After Change 4M + 1000pF 4M + 2200pF
36 1.6 4.9 1.7 1.3
48 1.5 4.9 1.8 1.3
76 1.7 5.5 2.0 1.4

■ Questions
1. Can you confirm whether any internal structural changes (e.g., ESD cell, internal compensation, output impedance) in the 4M lot could explain the increased noise susceptibility?

2. Given the above behavior, do you recommend using the K-A capacitor? If you have any countermeasures or comments, please let me know.
The capacitor addition is effective, but board space constraints make it impractical to apply this countermeasure in production.

Thanks,

Conor

  • Hi Conor,

    Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

    Can you provide scope capture of this behavior you described?

    This voltage deviation correlates with a change in the shunt reference voltage (ΔVref), where the REF pin shows a periodic voltage dip of ~200 mV, synchronized with the inverter’s switching cycle. The drop in Vref becomes more pronounced at higher load currents, indicating increased noise sensitivity.

    Could you also provide the cathode current during this behavior?

    In terms of your questions, we will review the device design based off the information I requested above, and get back to you as soon as possible. Please provide the scope capture and cathode current in a response in this thread. Adding the K-A capacitor is a good option to mitigate the behavior you described, and it does seem you have results showing that is the case. 

    Thanks,

    Jackson

  • Hi Jackson,

    Can you provide scope capture of this behavior you described?

    We would like to share the oscilloscope waveform data we have already received from the customer for your review. Could you please take a look and confirm whether the attached waveform is sufficient for your analysis?

    Additionally, if you believe that further measurements—such as cathode current—are necessary, we would appreciate your comments.

    If you require the full circuit diagram to assist your evaluation, we can share it via private message (we have already sent a friend request).

    Thanks,

    Conor

  • Hi Conor,

    These captures are very helpful. Thank you. The following would also assist in our investigation:

    1. Scope capture of Cathode voltage during this behavior.

    2. Scope capture of REF pin voltage during this behavior.

    3. Scope capture of Cathode current during this behavior.

    Let's follow up over private message about circuit diagram details.

    Thanks,

    Jackson

  • Hi Jackson,

    I have attached the waveform information in a PDF file, so could you please take a look?
    I will also send you the circuit diagram used in a private message later.

    Waveform information.pdf

    Thanks,

    Conor

  • Hi Conor,

    Thank you for the additional captures. We will look into this and let you know when we have details to share.

    Thanks,

    Jackson

  • Hi Jackson,

    We have a business meeting with our customer next week, so I would like your comments as soon as there is any update.
    Also, we are open to private messages if necessary.

    Thanks,

    Cono

  • Hi Conor,

    I have reached out over email to continue this discussion further.

    Thanks,

    Jackson