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BQ40Z80: A question about functional design and compatibility between an external active balance circuit and a capacitance gauge bq40z80.

Part Number: BQ40Z80


Tool/software:

We are interested in the functionality and integration of the bq40z80 chip for balancing our batteries.
We have an evolutionary board with which we are experimenting to evaluate the best solution for us, and we came to the question of balancing the cells. We are looking at the documentation of the circuit, where internal or external passive balance with FET and a discharge resistor is proposed.
We want to ask if there is any limit on how small its value can be and for example, if it is 10 ohms, will this affect the voltage drop in the SOC when the balancing cycle is active. We hope that the algorithm compensates for the charge transfer during balancing.

Our second question stems from our first problem of fast cell balancing, as we would like to connect an external balancing circuit with active cell balance.
Will there be any effect on the SOC estimation algorithms and is it compatible if an external balance circuit manages the balance autonomously (balance module) and our bq40z80 circuit is for capacitance estimation without using its balance option. Will there be any effect on the SOC/SOH estimation when we have charge transfer between cells or will the impedance tracking continue to work.

As an example, we can point to a commercial product that overlaps with our criteria. But our question remains fundamental to the principle of operation of active balance schemes.
https://www.lithiumbatterypcb.com/product/10s-active-balancer-module-for-36v-li-ion-battery-equalizer/?srsltid=AfmBOoo9qDk2TDjjrnoxI_r0Rz6u05rywXlEGBswZu9bHf18MSG_N8Vl

  • Hello Georgi,

    This question has been assigned and will be reviewed when possible.

    Thank you,
    Alan

  • Hi Georgi,

    External cell balancing is possible with bq40z80. The schematic below can be used as a reference, however this is an older schematic so please disregard the Cell 7 connection here.

    The documents below have more information about how to go about implementation:

    https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua420a/slua420a.pdf?ts=1754579552184 

    Regards,

    Anthony

  • Yes, what you are referring to is an external balance of the current circuit. We mean an external balance independent of the circuit, which is attached to the battery stack and uses the principle of active balancing (transferring energy between cells during charge and discharge), and not passive balance through resistor discharge of a given cell.
    The question is whether if a balance module is attached (which balances the cell itself) it will affect the SOC and the state estimation algorithm.

    On this principle, there is a transfer of energy between cells (charging/discharging each other) which on a per cell basis would change the internal state.
    How would it handle the evaluation in active balance with impedance tracking?

  • Hi Georgi,

    If this circuit causes a voltage drop from the cell connection to its respective voltage pin (VC0-VC6), then I believe there will be an affect on the gauging calculations since it relies on a proper reading of the cells voltage at this time.

    Also, since this is in the power path, if there is any affect in the current being read across the sense resistor, there could be issues here as well.

    Regards,

    Anthony