BQ25713: TPS25751+BQ25713: In high temperature test condition over 45 degrees (Charging stop situation by max.charging temperature), how to solve the full discharging problem of battery capacity.

Part Number: BQ25713
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS25751

Tool/software:

1. System Configuration
1) TPS25751 (PD) + BQ25713
2) Battery config.: 2 cells(Charging stop temp 45 °C, discharging stop temp. 60 °C), 3350mAh
3) System: Bluetooth speaker with USB PD function with 30 watts

2. What is the required test
1) Reliability power test
a. Playback pink noise with unit volume max. condition
b. External PD adapter: 30W power
c. Tested environment temperature: Ambient 25 °C temp.
d. Tested playback time period: 100 hours
e. Tested unit total used power: around 23 watts with volume MAX. condition

3. What is the problem
1) If the battery temperature detected by the NTC resistor inside the battery pack is 45 °C or less, normal playback and charge discharge occur without any problems found.

2) The problem occurs after BQ25713 stops battery charging normally when the battery temperature detected by the NTC resistor inside the battery pack is 45 °C or higher.
a. Problem: The battery continues to discharge because the output voltage of BQ25713 is lower than the battery's output voltage. (*Of course, if the temperature drops below 45 degrees again, BQ25713 starts charging normally.)
At this time, if the temperature detected by the NTC remains above 45 °C, the battery continues to discharge. Eventually, it becomes fully discharged, causing the test unit to be shut down automatically.

--> Question 1: Is there a way to control the output voltage of BQ25713 to be higher than the output voltage of the Battery?
(This is required when the battery charging is stopped normally under the NTC sensing temperature of 45 °C or higher. The PD adapter, which supplies DC from the outside, has verified that there is no problem in supplying a power of 28 watts, and there is no need to use current from the battery under the above temperature condition of 45 degrees or higher.)
--> Question 2: To solve this problem, I would like to ask you for your opinion on whether the TPS25751(PD) side should also do control together.

  • Hi, Kim,

    --> Question 1: Is there a way to control the output voltage of BQ25713 to be higher than the output voltage of the Battery?

    Yes, you could stop charging. Then the system voltage VSYS will be regulated slightly higher than the battery voltage VBAT. You can also set minimum system voltage VSYS_MIN higher than the battery voltage VBAT. 

    --> Question 2: To solve this problem, I would like to ask you for your opinion on whether the TPS25751(PD) side should also do control together.

    BQ25713 is a secondary device, which waits for command either from TPS25751 or other host controller. 

    Regards,

    Tiger

  • Dear Tiger,

    Thanks for your support.

    As you told me, I successfully set the VSYS output voltage higher than the battery output voltage (Vbat) with "MinSystem Voltage Register (I2C address=0D/0Ch)." Thank you.
    I confirmed that this setting works well (VSYS>Vbat), but unfortunately, the battery continues to discharge.
    The problem is that when we play the Pink noise 20-20KHz (2nd order Butterworth) 6dB crest signal used for testing, the high-level input signal causes a significant VSYS voltage fluctuation, which causes the VSYS output voltage to be momentarily lower than the Vbat.

    As an additional task, the "ICRIT_DEG" bit of the "ProchotOption0 Register (I2C address=37h)" was controlled to change the Deglitch time setting to 1 ms, which resulted in a positive reduction in the battery discharge current by approximately 70%. (got more improvement)

    Next step, I want to control REG0x33 to further improve the VSYS voltage fluctuation due to input peak power. Please advise if this setting can help solve this problem.

    Best regards,

    JK