LM79: Expected phenomenon during OUT-GND pin short circuit

Part Number: LM79
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: UA78M, , UA723

Tool/software:

Could you tell me each expected phenomenon when OUT-GNT pin of 

- LM7912CT/NOPB
- UA78M05CDCYR

is shorted?

 Expecialy wants to know:

- How Internal Thermal-Overload Protection works
- How Internal Short-Circuit Current Limiting works
- Does the result in overheating, power loss or burnout (combustion, smoke)?

Regards,
Hiromu

  • Hi Hiromu-san,

    • First, how each circuit works:
      • Thermal overload protection:
        • There is a temperature sensor on the die, and when the temperature on that rises above a threshold it collapses the output, preventing current from passing through the device, until the temperature falls below a falling threshold and it turns back on again. It has hysteresis. In a real system, if the Vin and Load are too high for the ambient temperature, it will repeat this endlessly, cycling into and out of thermal shutdown.
      • Short circuit current limiting:
        • The current limit part of the circuit scales back the current it limits the device to when it detects a sufficiently low voltage on Vout. 
        • UA78M Output short quirks
          • ...
        • LM79 Output Short quirks
          • The device also has safe operating area protection which may scale back short circuit current even further in certain cases
    • Output short to ground event:
      • Current will be limited to ISC
      • Power Dissipation = VIN*ISC (because VOUT=0 due to short)
      • The device will heat up
      • Depending on system, the device may overheat to beyond the thermal shutdown threshold temperature
        • Current will be limited to zero
        • The device will cool off to below the falling thermal shutdown threshold
        • The cycle will repeat if it is still shorted
        • Note: This is hard to measure on output because VOUT=0 but you can observe the phenomena by measuring current into the device
      • Otherwise, if it reaches an equilibrium below that thermal shutdown threshold (Depends on RθJA,ambient temperature, and VIN)
        • Device will continuously draw current at ISC
    • Effects:
      • These protection features are pretty good at preventing damage from overcurrent and overtemperature conditions themselves
      • However, high temperature and high inrush current from starting repeatedly when thermal cycling will cause an accelerated rate of normal failures 
      • Expect the chip temperature to hover just under the thermal shutdown threshold and less than abs. max

    Best,

    Gregory Thompson

  • Hi Thompson,

    Thank you for the detail. Just to confirm, becaouse it isn't exceed junction temp abs. max, can you say there is no risk of ignition or smoke?

    Regards,
    Hiromu

  • Hi Thompson,

    Could you also comment on following devices?
    UA723CN、UA7905CKCS

    Regards,
    Hiromu

  • Hi Hiromu-san,

    There is no real risk of ignition or smoke if temperature and other values are staying within abs. max.

     UA723CN/UA723:

    This device does not appear to have thermal shutdown but does have a form of output short circuit protection (the part does not appear to have been significantly altered since the 1999 version of the datasheet; the short circuit condition isn't as robust as our modern specs, but it should still limit current to well below its rating in the event of a true short). It may be damaged due to power dissipation increasing temperature beyond safe levels. 

    UA7905CKCS/UA7900:

    This device has both thermal overload protection and short circuit current limiting, so these overload conditions should not damage the device.

    The 

    Best,

    Gregory Thompson