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Disappearing R_DIS and VOK

We have had several batteries that have been in use for months with he problem of R_DIS and VOK not set. They we set when the pack was built and sealed. If I send a reset (41) they will appear.  What could cause this?

mike

  • Both R_DIS and VOK are bits that will toggle on and off. If there is not enough relaxation time and the gas gauge is not able to have a successful OCV reading. YOu may see VOK is off and R_DIS is on all the time. Below is the set/clear conditions for both bits.

    -- VOK set and clear condition --
    VOK set condition is that last OCV reading is qualified for Qmax update. All of the following needs to be satisfied for VOK to be set: 1) dV/dt<4uV/sec 2) voltage outside of disqualification window 3) temperature below 40C and above 10C VOK set (if all above conditions for last OCV reading are satisfied) when: - discharge starts - charge starts - IT enable command is sent. Note that VOK is NOT set at OCV measurement itself, because OCV measurements will continue until discharge or charge will start. VOK clears when: - Qmax update took place - timer for CC-offset error accumulation has reached estimated 1% error of presently passed charge. Offset error accumulation assumes 10uV offset, so with 10mOh sense resistor it assumes estimated 1mA error current. - on Full Reset (because OCV measurement after reset is considered not accurate enough).


    -- R_DIS set and clear condition --

    R_DIS may be set because of one of the following reason

    a)      Charge accumulation error > 2% of Design Capacity, or

    b)     During Discharging, we have a bad resistance update

    • Computed resistance is negative (R < 0), or
    • if the new resistance scale factor is too large or too small

    Charge accumulation error can exceed the 2% threshold if DOD0 fails to update during the Relax phase, or the pack is not given sufficient rest - bad/no OCV reading.

    Once OCV reading is taken in relax mode, R_DIS is cleared.

     

  • I understand the will turn off or on. The problem is both R_DIS and VOK are off.  How is that possible? QEN is on.

  • I understand they will turn off or on. The problem is both R_DIS and VOK are off.  How is that possible? QEN is on.

  • After 2 CHG/DSG cycles a pack was allowed to rest for 24h. It was then tested and was fine (test includes brief chg and dsg tests of less than 3sec ea and a SC test). The pack then rested for another five days and when retested R_DIS and VOK were set. (See inserted screen capture).

    Many of our production packs are tested this way (without the CHG/DSG cycles) and we don't see R_DIS becoming set.

    The pack was relaxing for 5 days, so according to JH's response above ("Once OCV reading is taken in relax mode, R_DIS is cleared.") R_DIS should have not been set.

    Questions:

    1. The pack was relaxing for 5 days, so according to response above ("Once OCV reading is taken in relax mode, R_DIS is cleared.") R_DIS should have not been set. Is that correct?

    2. That R_DIS became set does it indicate there are issues with this pack, or it is a matter of no concern and the pack can be considered good?

    3. Is there an easy way to validate/test for this?

    4. Are these flags not exclusive of each other, or what would set both simultaneously?

    Thank you!

  • Hi Alexander,

    Having the Rdis bit set during relaxation is not an anomaly and is not an indication of a problem. It simply means that resistance table update was disabled, this is temporary and once you have current flowing during discharge, as long as it is greater than c/10 you will have resistance updates. 

    thanks

    Onyx