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TPS63060 Erratic behaviour

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We have one of these on a custom board we designed. Behavior is found to be erratic.

History :

We populated a complete board (ARM Cortex CPU and various other peripheral ICs) and it appeared to work correctly first time, albeit with rather more ripple than wanted. This was put down to using incorrect components that we had in stock at the time, for example 4.7uH inductor, 3 x 10uF Cout etc.  But the device faithfully operated across the entire Vin range 2.5 to 12V and didn't seem that sensitive to the incorrect values.

The correct parts were duly ordered but in the meantime something happened to the one working prototype. We're not sure if it was the person using it did something or whether it happened on it's own... It appears that Vout rose above 3.3v at some point and destroyed the CPU.  At the time we were not too concerned by that with such out of spec parts (L and Cout). In particular the inductor had a low Isat and speculation was that at some point it may have gone into saturation and destroyed the Vreg, exposing the load to Vin.

A new prototype was assembled with the following values but now operation is completely erratic.

Test loads 12K and 24R resistive (ie have only populated power supply components, not rest of PCB).

Vout : ~3V3 (R1=1M, R2=180K)

L : 1.2uH ~2A Isat

Cout : 3 x 22uF 6V3 MLCC

Cin : 2 x 10uF 16V

Other : Vaux cap 0.1uF, Cap parallel R2 10pF

The PCB layout is similar to the EVM. Differences are : PS tied permanently to GND via a 8mil trace. EN Tied permanently to Vin right at the EN/Vin pins. PG : NC.

The datasheet says connect GND to PGND at only one place which we've done (ie by GND pin to pad under device), but interestingly the evaluation PCB layout shows a via connecting GND at R2 to the ground plane - we added it (by drilling and soldering PCB) but it made absolutely no difference...

The required current will be in the order of 200mA max when PCB fully populated.

What we are seeing is the device will not start up until approx 6V and then operates correctly up to 15V (which was as high as we tested). Once started it will operate down to approx 4V, but then one needs to go to 6V to restart. Adding or removing Cout alters the behaviour - 5 or more 22uF on Cout stop operating altogether. According to our capacitance meter the 22uF are actually more like 14uF so for one think you might think 5 would be better (5 x 14 = 70 which is in the order of 66 specified), also MLCC capacitance drops in proportion to applied DC voltage so I wouldn't really expect 5 x 22uF Cout to be too high...  The first prototype operated over the full Vin range, and certainly lower than 4V, lower than 3V in fact.

When the device is operating you can see switching wave form at L1. When Vin is below 6V and there is no output, there is also no switching wave form whatsoever at L1, therefore it appears to me that there is some static condition the device doesn't like.

We could try cutting and strapping PS to Vin instead of GND - one question - I assume this Vreg is intended to power up in power save mode? It certainly always did with the first prototype...

The TPS63060 is so simple in terms of number of external components and connections, it's difficult to know what else to try really.

If anyone has any insight or suggestions I'm all ears! 

One thing I do notice is that Vaux tracks with Vin up to approx 11V where it stays if Vin rises higher. The datasheet specifies a much lower value for Vaux in abs max. Do not know if that is indicative of partial device failure.

We'd really like to use this part in our design as it is very low part count and allows large freedom of power source - at least on paper ;)

PCB layout : http://www.icemans.co.uk/tps63060.bmp

Simon.

  • We built up two more boards (vreg section only) this evening. One operated fine for 5 minutes and the other lasted about 30 minutes!

    The first board now exhibits the following :

    Increasing Vin slowly (100mV per second approx), starts up with no load at approx 2.7V then quits at approx 3V. Sometimes starts again at 13V when Vin decreasing til Vin reaches 12V, no O/P til Vin reaches approx 3V, then dies again at approx 2.5V.  Repeatably.

    The second board now exhibits the following :

    Most of the time, operates between 2.7V and 13V tracking up or down with no load or 24R resistive load, constant 3V3 out.  Sometimes will quit at about 6V on the way up, go past 13, then back down again and it will start up again at 13 and operate correctly (Vout wise) down to approx 2.5V and then quit as expected.

    Both boards are completely identical and have been populated at the same time with identical components (taken from the same tapes, including the Vreg).

    Both boards, Vaux rises with Vin, until it reaches 5.8V where it stops as Vin climbs higher.

    First board draws more than expected quiescent current (approx 14ma no load), which leads me to suspect its Vreg IC is damaged.

    Output of linear bench PSU confirmed on Tek TDS2014 monotonic up/down, no noise, current limit set at approx 400mA.

    I'm beginning to think there are issues with the Vreg IC now....

    Simon.

  • Hi Simon, 

    First off thank you for the interest in TPS63060. 

    Second, lets get to the bottom of your issue. 

    1. Can you attach or send me your schematic? Schematic of tested circuits and final circuit to be on design. 
    2. Have you tried the converter with the recommended components? You should always first try what the datasheet suggests in the application selection. 
    3. Check your power supplying the converter and make sure it is not current limiting. 
    4. This device is only intended to work with up to 12V max on the input. You may test above that voltage, up to 17V but, do not plan on operating the device continuously above 12Vin. 
    5. Do you have a way of measuring the temperature of the IC? If so, can you report that with the different tests you are conducting? 
    6. Start up working or not, is independent of the selected mode, PWM vs power save. That is not your issue. 
    7. Take scope plots of a start up at 7Vin, be sure to include L1, Vin, and Vout.
    8. How are you measuring Vout ripple? 
  • Michael Green said:

    Hi Simon, 

    First off thank you for the interest in TPS63060. 

    Hi Michael, Many thanks for iterating so many good suggestions.  I will try to do as many as I can, some will require some further time which I will post back on. I will post below those items which I know the answers to right now.

    Michael Green said:

    Can you attach or send me your schematic? Schematic of tested circuits and final circuit to be on design. 

    Please see http://www.icemans.co.uk/tps63060-sch.bmp

    Michael Green said:

    Have you tried the converter with the recommended components? You should always first try what the datasheet suggests in the application selection. 

    No. We have used what I believe to be equivalents which I listed in my first post. I'm not sure there is much mileage to discuss the very first prototype build - as I say we used very different values from those specified on the datasheet.

    Anyway, to reiterate, the values used during all testing done on all boards after the first are marked on the schematic.

    Michael Green said:

    Check your power supplying the converter and make sure it is not current limiting.

    PSU was not current limiting. Load as stated was never greater than 24R (resistive) and current limit during testing was set to approximately 400mA. The PSU has a current limit indicator which was never active.

    Michael Green said:
     

    This device is only intended to work with up to 12V max on the input. You may test above that voltage, up to 17V but, do not plan on operating the device continuously above 12Vin. 

    Understood.  The reason we went above 13V was that it was noticed that ramping down from just above 13V the device always seemed to operate properly (on the second board) from 13 down to 2.5 volts continuously, and repeatably, whereas ramping up from 2.5 to just above 13 the device did not operate continuously but stopped operating at 6V sometimes.  The only way to get it out of this mode was to take Vin above 13V and then down.  Interestingly powering down and leaving for a few minutes did NOT exit this mode of operation...   Abs Max Vin was never exceeded during any test.

    Out of interest, do you know why the Abs max Vin is so much larger than the operating max Vin?

    Michael Green said:

    Do you have a way of measuring the temperature of the IC? If so, can you report that with the different tests you are conducting? 

    Unfortunately not. We have an IR thermometer available but this is as I'm sure you are aware inaccurate on spot temperatures below a certain diameter (much bigger than 3mm). Having said that, a quick finger test shows no appreciable temperature rise above ambient - either the device or the inductor (or any other component for that matter).

    Michael Green said:

    Start up working or not, is independent of the selected mode, PWM vs power save. That is not your issue. 

    Ok, thanks for the confirmation.

    Michael Green said:

    Take scope plots of a start up at 7Vin, be sure to include L1, Vin, and Vout.

    Yes I can do that.  What is the reason for 7V out of interest?  Is that based on the information I have provided so far or is 7V an 'interesting' operating point? 

    Michael Green said:

    How are you measuring Vout ripple? 

    On the Tek (with a short ground connection! ;)  Basically about 10mm of wire from the outer tip of the probe to ground.  Mind you I only did a quantitative measurement with the first prototype which due to component selection I would say is not useful to know.

    I will try to do the measurements requested and post back soon.

    Thanks again, Simon.