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TPS2491 - Using parallel FETs

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS2491, CSD18501Q5A

Hello,

 

Is there a reference design for the TPS2491 using parallel FETs.  I have nominal 24V power line that must be able to supply 33.3 Amps worst case.  In addition to this I have a 30 mili-farad capacitive load.  I am having a great deal of trouble finding a signle N-channel FET that can tolerate the transient power requirements.  I would like to use 2, possibly 3, FETs to share this load. 

 

Thank you,

 

Noah

  • http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua500/slua500.pdf describes a 100A, 12V HS.

    The large capacitive load will enforce a lot of heating during start up. Keeping the FET(s) cool using heatsinks or fans will probably be required. BTW, there is a design spreadsheet tool that can help with the calculations (http://www.ti.com/tool/tps2480-81-90-91-92-93_calc) and will drive a safe design including start up and SOA.

    Just in order to support the dc operation, I would expect that at least 3x CSD18501Q5A in parallel would be required along with significant cooling to start up the circuit with the large output capacitor.

  • What calculations are you using to determine the number of FETs required.  My total power required is 800 W.  I am thinking about using infineon's IPI024N06N3 N-channel FET with a 2.1 mOhm Rds on.  It can dissipate 250 W.  So, 800 W / 250 W = 3.2 or 4 FETs.  Is this the logic that is used to determine the number of FETs.  If so, it does not hold for the provided example based upon the International Recitfier part.  Can you advise?

     

    Thank you,

     

    Noah

  • The process is detailed in the spreadsheet tool that I sent the link for (on the Intro tab). That being said, I tried your scenario and believe it would be difficult to achieve a safe startup with such a large output capacitance. Did you really mean 33000 uF (33-mF)? Normally, with smaller output C you can take advantage of the FET transient thermal impedance to allow safe start up. But with such large C, the turn on time is too large to use this. The basic idea of FET power selection is to ensure that the junction temperature does not exceed the ABS MAX (with a ~25C pad) during start up.

    The spreadsheet is attached using 3x of the IR FETs (RED cells will help indicate the issues). You can tweak any of your other param's for which my assumptions were wrong.

    TPS2490Tool_revF_locked_E2E.xls
  • Eric,

     

    I fundamentally do not understand the numbers in the spread sheet, and how these contribute to the FETs' performance.  First of all, the IR FET has an Rdson of 3.3 m-Ohm.  So, 3 of these in parallel would yeild 1.1m-Ohm for the combined Rdson, not the 0.7 m-ohm, which is in your spread sheet.  Furthermore, Rdson only comes into play once steady state is acheived.  How does it contribute to the trasient power handling of the FET?

    I do not understand what is gained from using mulitple FETs in parallel, and how these gains are quantified.  Aside from reducing the Rdson, and increasing gate capacitance, what other parameters are improved?  Is the juntion-to-ambient resistance divided by the number of FET employed?  It is unclear what design goals are being met by using mulitple FETs.

     

    My goal is a robust solution. I'll use as many FETs as needed, but I need a quantifiable means to demonstrate that this design will be able to handle the 33mF load, and supply 33 A of current (worst case) steady state.  I've read the application note on the 12 V 100A solution, and still do not understand the justification behind selecting 5 FETs.  Why wasn't it 4?  Why wasn't it 10?  I need to know how many FETs will be needed to make my solution work.  Insight into this factor is needed. 

     

    Thank you,

     

    Noah

  • My mistake; I meant 3x of the Infineon FET (IPI024N06N3) which is 2.1mohm at Vgs=10V. You are also correct that the Rdson dominates power dissipation during steady state operation. Steady state is the easiest condition to evaluate based on junction temperature. If your Tj is too high, then add additional parallel FET's to yield a junction temperature with margin based on your PCB thermals and system operating temperatures.

    For non-steady state operation the problem is much tougher as you cannot guarantee sharing across the parallel FETs. It might be more straightforward to read the design example in the TPS2491 datasheet (starting on pg 14) to better understand how to set the FET power limit and how that relates to your load capacitance.

  • Eric,

    I have gone over my calculations several times, and I'm still unable to answer this question: "How do I calculate how many parallel FETs I need."

    I will try to give a better explaination of my application.  I have a Cload of 36mF @ 20% tolerance.  This needs to be charged by a 24 V nominal supply (30.3 is the worst case voltage).  I need a steady-state current of 33.3 A, but this is only after the caps are charnged.  If I charge the caps fast than 100ms (3 time constants) I get arching through the power brush-to-rail interface (this is robotic application).  So, as long as my charge time is longer than 100ms, I do not have an arching problem.

     

    Presently, this is accomplished through a NTC thermistor in parallel with the hot swap.  Needless to say, this is not a very deterministic design, and I want to design this circuit to take advantage of all of the hotswap's features, namely its predicatbility. 

     

    By using the application note (SLUA500) and my FET's SOA, I've calculated that my FET can tolerate 30 V @ 1 AMP @ 100ms.  This gives a Plim of 30 W.  Given this, it should take 520 ms to charge my load, which is acceptable.  However, if I used parallel FETs I should be able to cut this time down, and spread the thermal stress over the other FETs.  I will need to make a strong case for this in my design review.  How do I calculate how many FETs will be needed?  Is there an equation to assist with this.

     

    My FET's data sheet is attached. 

     

    Thank you,

     

    Noah8880.INFINEON IPB021N06N3 G.pdf