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LMR14206

I have read the posts from   and   and am having a similiar problem. Using the design reference per the specifications, on a bread board, tighly wired together, the part is damaged if I immediately apply >12V which im my case may be 14v or 18v-24v. If I turn on a variable DC supply and bring up the voltage slowly, no problem. I have ordered the evaluation board to see if it works. WEB Bench does not acknowledge using greaer than 12V which suggests a die problem. I also ordered some LM2842XMK-ADJL and LM22675MR-ADJ which has a bilt in soft start. From the threads I read, soft start must be needed for my application, yet I cannot find any application notes to specify designs. I also read about short circuit issues for my application of >12v inputs. Please let me know if I am pursuing a faulty design for my application. Thank you.

  • Hi Marty,

    We have received your request. We will get back to you with an answer shortly.

    Thanks,

    Anston

  • Hi Marty,

    Please inform us of your application input voltage range, output load current range, Cout and Cin Values that you've used in your breadboard design. It sounds like this is a hand wired breadboard rather than a PC board implementation. It is our experience that designs above 250kHz are very difficult to tame when hand wired. You'll have much more success using one of the factory boards. Looking forward to helping resolve this issue.

    Thanks,

    Anston

  • Anston,

    Hooked up LMR14206XMK to verify it works. Input DC. Works fine, 1.2v out. Now, changed RFBT 10 100K. So output now 8V. Output load  vs. voltage out:

    1K  8.08v

    20ohm 7.65

    10ohm 6.35

    Surprised at the current foldback with the 20ohm load. Part should be good for 600ma. Ideas? Thanks.

    Marty

  • Hi Marty,

    There are several factors here. Damage to the part occurs when you instantaneously apply greater than 12Vin because the ceramic input capacitors resonate with the bench supply wiring inductance and create a leading edge transient that damages the device. This is a common malady when bench testing High input voltage parts that only have ceramic capacitors. Adding an Aluminium electrolytic greater than 47uF across the ceramic input capacitor will generally resolve this problem. This electrolytic might not be required in the final implementation. The rule of thumb is that the input voltage can ring to twice the supply input voltage. It is not clear why you seem to be damaging the 42Vin rate part with only 12V input setting.

    Please examine the current rating of the inductor. Perhaps it is being saturated and causing early current limit. Inductors often have several current specs, the first is a thermal rating often related to 40C rise in inductor temperature, the second is usually peak saturation current which describes 20% decrease in inductance at the current specified. If you push the inductor current beyond this saturation spec, it may explain the current limitation you've observed.

    Next look at the inductance value. For 8V out, it should be 33 or 47uH. If you took a 1.2V application board, and modified it to 8V out, the inductance value needs to change also. If the inductance value is too low, then peak current is high and current limit is reached prematurely. 

    For your application, 8V*.65A = 5.2W. A rough estimate of the losses in the switch are as follows,

    a) RDson = 1ohm

    b) Duty cycle is approx = 40% (for 20Vin and 8Vout)

    c) Loss in the switch is .65*.65*1.5ohm = .63375W

    d) Temperature rise in the part = .63375 * 121C/W = 76.68C.

    It may be that current limit has some dependency on Vin that might lower current limit.

    Thanks,

    Anston

  • Hi,

    We are experiencing the same problem. some of our boards go into this peculiar unstable mode and then the output FET permanently shorts. We initially thought that the problem was the in-rush current of the DC-DC converters.

    At the moment, we cannot redo our design to incorporate the additional input capacitance. We only have access to the supply end. Do you believe that a soft start circuit can remedy this problem and prevent the chip from going into the unstable mode? What about adding capacitors in parallel with the source (sounds silly because from the oscillation standpoint, the voltage source acts close to short circuit, then again this is a nonlinear oscillation and I digress)?

  • Hello,

    Please explain what unstable mode you are observing. Some scope shots of the SW voltage and output voltage will be helpful at full load and no load. Are you experiencing failure at turn on or is this just bad behavior at steady state?

    Regards,
    Akshay