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BQ24401 - low PWM frequency - no dT/dt-detection - input current regulation instead of output regulation - corresponding current regulation is sensitive to input impedance

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I have a serious problem with the BQ24401

1. low PWM frequency

From 12 identically assembled prototypes only 1 reaches the 300 kHz PWM frequency, 2 have abt 130 kHz and the rest are below 60 kHz.



The components determinating PWM frequency have their exact values on all the boards.

Replacing the BQ24401 on the 300 kHz board with a new one made no difference.

The -50 mV trip voltage at the SNS input is verified at the 300 kHz board but has about twice its value at the others.

Any idea ?

2. no dT/dt-detection

Due to power dissipation in a compact design I had to reduce the charge current from C/2 to C/4 in order to prevent early dT/dt detection.

The BQ24401 takes revenges on this with no dT/dt detection anymore.

The only stop criteria still functionable are max time and max temp.

The dT/dt voltage changes measured are still greater than the -Vcc/161 = 31 mV/min or 0,52 mV/s but the BQ24401 ignores this.

The datasheet explaines that the actual temp value will be compared with the value measured 2 samples earlier. So a -8,3 mV change in 16 s should terminate the fast charge. Right ?

What is the internal A/D resolution and are the values filtered or averaged ? I made my measurements with an external A/D and had to filter out the noise in order to get qualified data.

Akkuladung kpl 300mA - Ueberladung.pdf

In order to cancel noise I have added RC filters (100k / 100nF) to both TS and BAT inputs but with no effect.

3. input current regulation instead of output regulation

The datasheet proclaims that "The bq24401 implements a hysteretic control loop that regulates the current being delivered to the battery pack
to a user programmable value that is set by the value of the RSNS resistor."

But in the schematic the sense resistor is implied in the input loop instead in the output loop. Therefore the input current is regulated and the design is useful only with a fixed input voltage. 

I understand that - to change this - I have to redesign with a sense resistor in the output loop and - in order to archieve lowest ground resistance in the battery to load connection - to insert this resistor in the highside output of the charger.

4. corresponding current regulation is sensitive to input impedance

Ground in not equal to Ground, especially if there are sense resistors.

With different power supplies as input sources I get up to 20% different input currents.
I assume that this is due to the different ground capacitance of the linear Lab power supply and the Mean Well switching adaptor.

Also high frequency ripple currents of the switch mode supply may make a difference. But additional decoupling on the chargers primary and across the sense resistors also was not worth mentioning with respect to input current regulation.

5. max temperature sensing works great

The charging is therefore only terminated by reaching the max temperature and of course max time - poor batteries ;-(

Any suggestions ?

Thank you

  • Hello Pie Bee,
    Answer to "1. low PWM frequency":
    twist the inductor by 180° and look for the difference.
    With orientation a) you see the addition of stray field induced voltage on current SNS input,
    with orientation b) you see the subtraction of stray field induced voltage on current SNS input.
    And, voila, 60 kHz or 300 kHz resulting PWM frequency by a flip of the orientation of the magnetic field.
    w regards,
    pie bee
  • pie bee, you are great - this solved the first point.

    All inductors seemed beeing mounted with the same orientation, but inside there have been different winding orientations.This could only been recognized by breaking i.e. removing the outer magnetic shield.


    So no more waiting for the TI's specialists for this first item needed - but thank you for their good will ;-).

    May be you have more solutions for me to give?

    There have been more items to solve (I don't know to mark the post as only partially answered but I don't want to chisel the 'answering points'  out of you!


    Have a great day,

    Pie Bee