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TPS54335 high output ripple at low temperature and current consumption

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS54335A

Dear Madam / Sir.  

In a new transceiver design I am using one of your components (TPS54335) to covert a battery voltage of 8V to 3.3V.

This 3.3V is powering the receiver section and part of the transmitter section. When the transmitter is switched off my design is consuming about 49 mA @ 8V. This configuration work very good @ ambient and I see that the ripple on the 3.3V real is low. But when the temperature drops to -4 degree and below to -20 I measure a high output ripple > 200mV  and the mean voltage of the 3.3V drops to 2.7V.

This behavior  has been seen on 2 out of 10 boards. When the transmitter section is switched on and the current consumption increases this ripple is gone and the mean voltage is 3.3V again. To resolve this issue I replaced the components and repeated the test in a thermal chamber.  After replacing this component with a new device this behavior was gone 

See the schemetics:

My question are:

1) Is there a minimum current and/or temperature where this output ripple is guaranteed?

2) Is there a difference between a TPS54335 that a bought a half year ago and the TSP54335A that is now available ?  

TRXVU_revA_power.pdf

  • Yes there are some differences to enhance reliability in the TPS54335A. Can you post some waveforms that show the increased ripple? What type of input and output capacitors are you using? They are showing polarity marking so they may be electrolytic?
  • The Problem is that i already replaced the faulty devices and I did not take a snapshot of the scope picture.
    The input and out capacitors are listed bellow See the attached schematic:

    Capacitor 6,8uF C14, C15, C16 AVX TCJC685M035R0200 Digikey 478-6644-1-ND(input capacitor)
    Capacitor 100uF C29, C30, C31 Kemet T520B107M006ATE015 Digikey 399-5306-1-ND (Output capacitor)
    Capacitor 1uF C23, C24, , C208 Kemet C0603C105K3PACTU Farnell 1288202
    Capacitor 27nF C26, C27 AVX 06035C273KAT2A Farnell 1740617
    Capacitor 220nF C12, C13, C17, C18, C19, C32, C33, C34 Kemet C0603C224K3RACTU Farnell 1414626
    Resistor 118k R21, R22 Yageo CRCW0603118KFKEA Farnell 2138504
    Resistor 187R R24, R25 Vishay CRCW0603187RFKEA Farnell 2141304
    Resistor 32,4k R28, R30 Vishay CRCW060332K4FKEA Farnell 2138455
    Resistor 100k R9, R10, R27, R29, R31, R124 Yageo RC0603FR-07100KL Farnell 9238727
    Inductor 150uH L1, L2 Panasonic ELL6SH151M Farnell 1539569
    Inductor 33uH L3 Panasonic ELL6RH330M Farnell 1198599

    The problem is that there are 5 boards using this configuration that are used without a problem. So a want to be able to estimate the risk of this happening on a a board with a good output stability.
    Besst Regards
    Eelco Timmer
  • It will be pretty difficult to make an assessment without seeing some waveforms. One thing I can tell you is that your input bypass capacitors are high ESR tantalum types. You should replace those with X5R or X7R dielectric ceramic types.
    The inductor values seem somewhat high as well. can you tell me how you came about calculating the component values?
  • I Used the web-bench software to create this design. unfortunately the designs are no longer in my profile. The thing that is woring me is that 8 of the 10 boards don't heave this problem. Is there an explanation on what has been changes in the transition from TPS 54335 to TPS 54335A.
    Best regards
    Eelco Timmer
  • I am surprised that Webench would suggest that design.  Did you use the exact BOM that Webench suggested?  Webench should not allow tantalum input caps, and I don't think I have ever seen it suggest tantalum output caps either, although I have to admit I don't use Webench all that often.  I also doubt that your issue is due to A vs non A either, but I'll see if I can find the info on it.

  • Here is some info on the TPS54335A.  The actual internal changes are confidential.

    TPS54335_TPS54336_Quality_Notification.pdf