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Battery Charger and Fuel Gauge

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ27500-V130, BQ27542-G1, BQ27510-G3, BQ27426, BQ25890, BQ2084-V143, BQ78350, BQ76920, BQ24618

Hi, 

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For our project, we decided the below requirements:

Battery Type: Lithium Ion

Battery Dimensions: 18650  (18mm Diameter, 65mm Length)

Topology - Parallel (1s2p, 1s3p or higher)

Requirements

- Since both Li-Ion batteries are connected parallel, both battery should be able to charge evenly, and use batteries evenly.

- Protection circuit for Short, Overcurrent, Overvoltage, Overtemperature etc.

  If one battery damaged, no change to circuit, remaining batteries operate as usual.

- Should allow charge state to be measured accurately.

- Maximize the number of cycles. Accurately charge to required max voltage.  

Details

- 4.2V Max Output for Charger.

- Allows either USB or DC voltage input to charge. (suggest switch mode ??)

- Allows charging while operating.

- Pre-charge, CC, CV, Terminate. Charge evenly all batteries at 1C or less at same time.  

- Battery Gauging

  - Should account for load/no load, temperature variation.

    (TI has 'Impedance Track' feature & Voltage Profile Database)

For  bq40z50-R1 fuel gauge, it is supports up to four series cells.

We also looking at the BQ27500-v130....

Can it be used to monitor the battery system as proposed?

But we plan to charge the battery in parallel as mentioned above.

Is there any suitable battery charger or fuel gauge that fulfill the requirements?

Please refer attachment:

  • Hello Wang,

    We do have multiple offerings that may suit your application. Couple more questions that can help narrow down the options:

    • What is your charging current?
    • Are the cells removable or are they embedded in the system?

    For high accuracy gauging, Impedance Track is a good alternative. If you are planning on having removable battery packs, a system side gauge would be a good alternative. The BQ27500-V130 is not recommended for new designs, I suggest you review the bq27510-G3 for system-side gauging. If the packs are embedded in the system and won't be removed, you can use a pack-side gauge, an option to review would be the bq27542-G1.

    Another option would be the bq27426, which included pre-programmed chemIDs.

    Regarding the charger, I recommend you review the bq25890 charger. It can provide up to 5A charging, configurable through I2C, can be powered via USB or an adapter and include D+/D- detection.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks.

  • Hi Fernando,

    Thanks for the answer.

    What is your charging current?
    Ans: We haven decided the charging current yet. But probably around 3A.

    Are the cells removable or are they embedded in the system?
    Ans: The cells are embedded in the system.
    Is there any different in TI fuel gauge for cell removable or embedded??

    I still have some questions:
    1. For the charger IC bq25890 as recommended, do i need two bq25890 to charge both batteries pack connected in parallel or
    1 charger is sufficient??

    2. I need to use 1 battery fuel gauge to monitor the Li-ion battery or each fuel gauge for each battery?
    Is there any fuel gauge that can monitor both Li-ion battery simultaneously?

    Thanks,
    Wang
  • Hello Wang,

    Typically pack side gauges provide more accurate gauging since they are connected directly to the cell tabs and are typically located near the cells. System-side gauges reside on the system board and include mechanisms to detect battery insertion when a new pack is connected; this is for systems that would use a "dumb" pack or for applications were the user can change the packs themselves. 

    You would only need one bq25890 and one gauge. Even though you have more than one cell in parallel, a 1SXP configuration is still considered a single-cell application. Our gauges provide monitoring of safety conditions such as over-temperature, over charge/discharge conditions, short circuit detection, etc. For a single-cell 1SXP application you don't need cell-balancing, as the cells will balance themselves.

    Thank you.

  • Hi Fernando,

    From your explanation, i assume the configuration of my battery system should be as below?

    Please advice...

     

    So, BQ25890 will charge these 2 Li-Ion simultaneously as mentioned right?

    As you mentioned for cell balancing, does it mean both Li-Ion battery level will be the same after being used for some time?

    So, BQ27542-G1 only track either one of the Li-Ion battery fuel gauge only?

    Thk,

    Br,

    Wang

  • Hello Wang,

    The block diagram seems correct. The 890 will charge both cells in parallel at the same time, then they will balance themselves. The bq27542-G1 will monitor both cells in a 1S2P configuration, remember that a 1S2P is still considered as one cell, so the gauge will monitor the voltage of the two cells in parallel and the current flowing through both cells.

    Thank you.

  • Hi Fernado,

    Thanks for the clarification. Really appreciate it.

    By the way, just a quick question. How does the 1S2P (or 1S3P) balance itself (cell balancing)?
    As I read through the datasheet, there is no mention of cell balancing algorithm for BQ27542-G1.
    Unlike BQ2084-V143, there is a "Cell Balancing Algorithm and Control".

    Also how do I ensure when using battery, the parallel batteries will equally discharge power.

    Please advice.

    Thanks,
    BR,
    Wang
  • Hello Wang,

    The bq27542-G1 does not have a cell-balancing algorithms, this is a feature for our multi-cell gauges. 

    Parallel cells share the same voltage, hence why they don't require cell balancing. The impedance mismatch between the cells should be minimal if using well matched cells, which may cause a slight difference in the charging current, but still should regulate to the charging voltage.

    Thank you.

  • Hi Fernando,

    I’m worried that there will be a surge in current if two cells which are not charged at same level is placed in parallel.
    Is there some circuit to prevent surge current if user swap a battery that is not charged (battery replacement, either 1 battery) etc?

    The other concern is , what if one battery gets damaged during usage and shorts, will it then damage the other battery due to fast discharge.
    Are there any ICs that can do parallel balancing (I’ve only seen ICs that do series balancing).

    Thanks,
    Br,
    Wang
  • Hi Fernando,

    Any update on this inquiry?
    Need your advice urgently.

    Thanks,
    Wang
  • Hello Wang,

    You do not require any additional circuitry for cell balancing cells in parallel. Since the cells are in parallel, it holds the cells at the same voltage and allows excess charge to move between cells during charging or relaxing.

    Regarding protection in case one of the cells in parallel gets damaged, I've seen customers in the past add a fuse in series with each of the cells, in the event of a short, the fuse will blow and isolate the bad cell from the rest of the pack.
  • Hi Fernando,

    Thanks for your reply.
    Our side will proceed with the BQ78350 for cell gauge/passive balancing/protection with BQ76920 as controller and BQ24618 as the charger.

    Thanks for the support!!
    Appreciate it...

    Br,
    Wang
  • Hello Wang,

    The minimum number of cells in series the bq78350 can handle is 3s; the application we have been discussing is 1s, I don't think the bq78350 will work for this application.

  • Hi Fernando,

    We revise the requirement to 4s in parallel.

    Please refer below revise diagram...

    In this case, we choose bq76920 fuel gauge because it can support from 3S to 5S cell and integrated with cell balancing FETs.

    The TI also suggest that we use bq78350 as the gas gauge and battery management controller.

     

    Currently we are thinking whether or not we can skip the bq78350 and direct interface the bq76920 with the host (MCU) through I2C.

    This is because bq78350 interface with SMBus and it is just a companion to bq769x0 series for SMBus host interface and LED purpose.

    Please advice.

    Thanks,

    Br,

    Wang

  • Thank you Wang and Fernando.
    I learned a lot from your correspondence.
    I plan a product very similar to a mobile phone, the product will be powered by 2 batteries 18650 connected in parallel. Very similar to Wang's product.
    There is one major difference between my and Wang design, in my design the user has access to battery replacement.
    I am concerned about the condition that the user will put 1 battery that fully charge and 1 empty.
    In such a case there was a great deal of electric current until the 2 cells are balanced.

    I would be happy to get your advise?
    Yuval
    e2e.ti.com/.../1810516