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TPS62170 / Fsw on the low Vin condition

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS62170, TPS62170EVM-627, TPS62290, TPS62065

Hi,

Fsw decreases when Vin is low such as following.

And I attach waveforms when fsw decreased.

I'm understanding what the TPS62170 does not move into PS mode when Vin is high because ripple current is small. 

Is it correct?

Could you tell me why Fsw decreases when Vin?

Best Regards,

Kuramochi

  • Hi Kuramochi-san,

    TPS62170 enters PS mode as long as the output current is lower than half the inductor's ripple current.

    When VIN decreases to typically 15% above VOUT, the TPS6217x does not enter power save mode, regardless of the load current.

    The device maintains output regulation in PWM mode.

    More information you can find in datasheet:

    • 8.4.2 Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) Operation
    • 8.4.3 Power Save mode Operation

    Regarding variation of the switching frequency see figures: 20 and 21.

    More information about frequency variation you can find in this article:

    Regards

    Lubomir

  • Lubomir-san,

    Thank you for your answer.

    Can we calculate fsw when Vin is low such as following the red rectangle or inflactiion point of frequency?

    Best Regards,
    Kuramochi

  • Hi Kuramochi-san,

    unfortunately we don't have formula to calculate fsw in red rectangle.

    Regards

    Lubomir
  • Lubomir-san,

    Thank you for your answer.

    Do you have the Switching Frequency vs Input Voltage data when Vout >5V?
    Could you show me if you have?

    Best Regards,
    Kuramochi
  • Hi Kuramochi-san,

    we have data which are in datasheet.
    There is EVM which can be used by customer to measure switching frequency: TPS62170EVM-627.

    What is the specification for the DC/DC converter?
    What is the end application?

    Best regards

    Lubomir
  • Lubomir-san,

    Thank you for your help.

    End application is infortainment.

    Best Regards,

    Kuramochi

  • Hi Lubomir-san,

    Switching frequency is specified typical value as 2.5MHz on the datasheet.
    Could you tell me dispersion of switching except for external factor(i.e. inductor, load current...) for our reference?

    Best Regards,
    Kuramochi
  • Hi Kuramochi-san,

    The TPS6217x operates with pulse width modulation in continuous conduction mode (CCM) with a nominal switching frequency of about 2.25 MHz. The frequency variation in PWM is controlled and depends on VIN, VOUT and the inductance.

    Significant impact on the duty cycle in the customer table has duty cycle:

    • Low duty cycle:  The TPS62170 data sheet notes a typical 80-ns absolute minimum on-time that occurs in these cases. This is the primary source of frequency variation at low duty cycles. Fixed propagation delays added to small on-times are another source of variation
    • Moderate duty cycle:  Frequency variation in this case is very low because the on- and off-times are not at their extremes.
    • High duty cycle: High duty cycles demonstrate a minimum off-time in the topology. Since high duty cycles occur at a lower input voltage and higher output voltage, the energy stored in the inductor during the on-time is lower. This outcome is because there is much less voltage across the inductor. To maximize efficiency, a minimum off-time is included to ensure that sufficient energy is delivered to the output.

     

    Please find more information in the shared documents above.

    Best regards

     

    Lubomir Fenic

  • Hi Lubomir-san,

    Could you tell me dispersion of switching except on the following or near condition for customer's reference?

    Vin = 3.6V
    Vout = 2.8V
    Iout =0.2A
    Inductor = 2.2uH(DCR=0.11Ω)

    Best Regards,
    Kuramochi

  • Perhaps this is not the right device for you, with your low Vin. Why did you choose it? The TPS62065 and/or TPS62290 would be better for a low Vin.
  • Chris-san,

    Thank you for your minding.

    They chose this device because they must choice the device from the customer's certified device.

    And they need not to avoid AM band, though they need to know VIN which fsw covers AM-band for their reference.

    How about above question regarding dispersion?

    Best Regards,
    Kuramochi

  • Thank you for explaining.

    I do not understand what is meant by 'dispersion'. Can you use a different word?

    The app notes Lubomir has shared explain how and why the frequency varies. The exact variation in a specific condition, like yours, needs to be measured on an EVM.
  • Chris-san,

    Thank you for your response.

    How about "variance", "scattering" or "dispersion of switching frequency" ?
    I think that it depends on dispersion? of constant off-time.

    If you have the data, please show me for the customer's reference.

    Best Regards,
    Kuramochi
  • No, we have no data on the variability of the minimum off time.