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TPS62160: Short Circuit and Burn when feed by Lead-Acid 12V Battery

Part Number: TPS62160

I am using a TPS62160 to supply 3.0 Vcc to a MCU with very little current. The system have work pretty well until I try to use a Lead-Acid Battery. I have follow all the datasheet recommendation, and for any other source of power (regulated power supply, alkaline batteries, USB) it works perfectly. But when I try to use a Lead-Acid battery, the component, and also my MCU burns immediately.

The datasheet say this about "Power Supply Recommendation" :

"The TPS6216x device family has no special requirements for its input power supply. The input power supply' s
output current needs to be rated according to the supply voltage, output voltage, and output current of the
TPS6216x."

Since all of these is checked, I have no idea about what is the problem.

I'd really appreciate any help or suggestion :)

 

  • Hi Artur,

    did you check voltage on Lead-Acid battery?

    would you please share:

    • schematic
    • layout
    • oscilloscope screenshot:
      • Vin voltage
      • SW pin voltage
      • inductor current

    What is the end application?

    Best regards

    Lubomir

  • Hi Lubomir,

    I've checked the battery voltage, and was something about 13V. The chip was suppose to work good up to 17V.

    Unfortunately, I can't share the full board schematic and layout at this moment. But, I've used the TPS62160DGK with the same components suggested in the datasheet, and a very close layout of the datasheet as well. The inductor current is about 1,4 A.

    The end application is to acquire some data from sensors and control some relays. Nothing outstanding.

    I don't have an oscilloscope picture also, because if I try to reproduce the problem I lost more components. And to acquire the signals it's a little bit trick, all components are very small, and burn a chip in your face under a x4 magnifying glass is complicate.

    Thanks for the response, I'll try to get some more information.

    My best regards,

    Artur

  • Hi Artur,

    how is DCDC converter connected to the battery?
    Do you use long wires?

    Regards

    Lubomir
  • Hello Lubomir,

    Very short wires. About 15 cm from the battery to the board, and more 1 or 2 cm from the pins to the dcdc.

    Have you seen this before? I'm wondering if batteries internal resistance could cause this, probably this is the main difference between lead acid types and others that I've tried.

    My best regards,
    Artur
  • Hello Artur,

    is something else connected to the battery?
    Do you have capacitor bigger capacitor on the input of the DCDC converter?
    Please look into this blog: e2e.ti.com/.../what-is-that-giant-tantalum-cap-on-the-input-of-the-evm

    Regards

    Lubomir
  • Hi Lubomir,

    No. Just the DCDC converter it's connected to the battery.
    I don't have this cap, just the input capacitor of the converter circuit (22 uF - Ceramic). Very nice blog, I'll look forward to see if this solve the problem. Do you think that if I change the tantalum cap for an electrolytic could work as well? As a rule of thumb bigger capacitance better?


    Thanks for the help!

    My best regards,

    Artur

  • Were you able to test out the cap? Based on what you describe, I think you probably should have one. This can be confirmed by a simple scope measurement of the input voltage waveform on your PCB. Either tantalum or electrolytic is ok--their ESR also helps makes a snubber to clamp the ringing.
  • Dear Lubomir and Chris Glaser,


    Sorry for the late response, but I finally tested the DC/DC input with the scope, and my problem was actually a transient wave (photo below). When I connect the circuit to the battery, voltages up to 18V were damaging the converter.

    An 100uF electrolytic capacitor in the input solve the problem. Keeping the voltage under 14V.

    Thank you again for the help.

    Regards,

    Artur