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TPS25924: About Design-Calculator(EXCEL)

Part Number: TPS25924


Hi,


I got a question from the customer.

Q.There is an item "RIstart" on TPS2592xx-Design-Calculator-RevA(related documation of TPS2592xx).
Is "RIstart" a pure resistance?
Or is it an impedance?

Q2.The value of "RIstart" is
Before startup,
During startup,
After startup,
Which value in the above should be entered?

Q3.Could you tell me how to measure "RIstart"?

Best regards,

watanabe

  • Hi Watanabe,

    Q1A) "RIstart" is a pure resistance
    Q2A) "RIstart" corresponds to load resistance value at the instance the rated voltage is applied across the load
    Q3A) One way to get the load resistance is to measure V-I characteristics of the load by powering from a bench power supply

    Can you please let us know the end equipment and system requirements

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Rakesh,

    Thank you for your quick support.

    Q1A) "RIstart" is a pure resistance

    I understand.

    Q2A) "RIstart" corresponds to load resistance value at the instance the rated voltage is applied across the load

    Is my understanding of the rated voltage = VIN(max) correct?

    Q3A) One way to get the load resistance is to measure V-I characteristics of the load by powering from a bench power supply

    Is the power supply behind eFuse, but is it possible to measure the VI characteristics?

    Can you please let us know the end equipment and system requirements

    equipment:ROUTER
    system requirements:
    TPS25924
    VIN(max):12.6
    UVset:8
    Cout:540uF
    RIstart:4ohm(Unmeasured)
    Imax:3.5A
    Ilimit:4A

    Best Regards,

    watanabe

  • Hi Watanabe,

    Yes, rated voltage is VIN(max).
    You can test as follows to estimate RIstart:- Power up your load from bench power supply without eFuse. Apply 12V and measure load current at the instant of power-on (ignore any spiky capacitive current). Calculate RIstart.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Rakesh,

    I appreciate for your support.
    All the doubts are clarified.

    Best Regards,
    watanabe
  • Thank you!
    Please let me know if you face any challenge in sizing the parameters for successful startup.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Rakesh,

    I got questions from the customer.

    Q1.

    At power on, current of 60A/300μs flows.(Figure 1)

    Can I regard it as a spike-like capacitive current?

    (It is difficult to calculate the load at power on from this waveform.)

     Figure 1

    Q2.

    The maximum load current is 1.5A(max).

    Is the idea of RIstart 12.6V(VIN)/1.5A(max)=8.4Ω correct?

    Best regards,

    Watanabe

  • Hi Watanabe,

    From the test waveform, it looks your load is capacitive dominant. Please use design calculator with Cout=540uF and Ristart = 8Ω to calculate ramp up capacitor CdVdT.

    Thanks,
    Rakesh
  • Hi,

    I got another question from the customer.

    The output capacitor of eFuse is 540 uF.
    However, the input capacitor for power supply (170 uF) is connected behind it.

    Should I calculate this input capacitor as an output capacitor too?

    Best Regards,
    Watanabe
  • Hi Watanabe,

    To make it clear, I have depicted in below figure. Is 170uF capacitor connected at Vin or Vout ?

    If it is at Vout, you should add to 540uF and then calculate.

    Regards,

    Rakesh

  • Hi Rakesh,

    Thank you for your support.

    It is at Vout.
    I understood that to add up.

    Best Regards,
    Watanabe
  • Hi Rakesh,

    I got another question from my customer.

    Q.

    When Total power dissipation at start-up is 11.86 W,
    How much ambient temperature can be used?

    The design calculator D50cell Total power dissipation at start-up is 11.86 W,
    D52cell is NO.

    When the ambient temperature is 125 ° C.,
    I think that Total power dissipation means exceeding Max power dissipation allowed.

    However,
    When the ambient temperature is 125 ° C or lower,
    it is considered usable.

    For your information,
    we will post an image of Thermal Shutdown Limit Plot and Calculation Sheet.

    Best Regards,

    Watanabe

  • Hi,

    With 11.86w power dissipation, you should be able to operate around 85degc ambient.
    Can you provide your design calculation file
    What is the max. operating temperature?

    Regards
    Rakesh
  • Hi,

    I understood that I can operate at 85 ℃.

    Attach the Design Calculator.

    The maximum operating ambient temperature is 85 ° C.

    TPS2592xx-Design-Calculator-RevA_solbox_20170329.xlsx

    Best Regards,

    Watanabe

  • Hi Watanabe,

    Thanks for the information.

    You should be able to operate at 85℃. To increase the margin, please select CdVdT_ext as 0.75nF (D42cell). This moves the operating point to 8.89W with Tstart 9.68ms.

    Does your application allow to use auto-retry version of TPS25924 device? 

    Best Regards,

    Rakesh

  • Hi Rakesh,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I understand that I will operate at 85 degrees.

    My customer use latch version.

    Best Regards,
    Watanabe