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BQ24296: Design assistance with BQ24296 (LI ION CELL + 4G MODULE)

Part Number: BQ24296

Dear all, we´re designing an automotive proyect that will include a Li Ion cell + 4G LTE Modem

The system input will be 5V not USB(From other PCB board), the 4G Module works at 3.8V more or less,  we want to use the BQ24296 to system load + battery chargue (both System Load should be 3.8V More or less)

The system load will be the 4G module

We want to chargue the Battery at 800mA (Max)

The module haves 3A transmission peaks

Is this IC adecuate to our design ?

  • Hey Ignacio,

    So just a few comments on things to consider when using this part.

    The setting you want to look at is the Vsysmin setting (REG01[3:1]). The maximum settable Vsysmin is 3.7V on this part, which means that when the battery is below this threshold, the integrated buck converter will regulate the SYS voltage to that setting.

    The other thing to note is that when the battery charges, it will rise above this regulation setting (3.7V) up to 4.2V (for typical Li-ion batteries).

    So you need to make sure your LTE Modem can operate between 3.7 and 4.2V.


    Lastly, one question I have is if you expect your battery to power the system by itself sometimes (i.e. no 5V system input)? If so, the SYS pin voltage will follow the battery voltage minus an IR drop from the Q4 FET. So be aware that a more discharged battery operating the system on its own could run down to 3.0V before it turns off.

    Regards,
    Joel H

  • Thank you Joel, the module can operate 3.4~4.2V.

    This is my actual schematic, its ok??

    Yes, the battery will need to supploy the system when there is no +5V Inout

    Thank you so much for your help because we´re not in time with this project

  • Hey Ignacio,

    Firstly, C29 should be a larger value. I'd recommend 8-10uF, rated for 25V

    I recommend also pulling /PG, STAT, INT, and /CE to a fixed rail through a resistor. /CE is an input to the charger, and needs to some fixed logic state even if you have some GPIO attached from your PMIC. 

    Same with SDA and SCL. Make sure you have strong enough pull-up resistors for proper I2C communication.

    If you are not using the TS pin with a thermistor, you want to change the resistor network consisting of R5 and R8 such that the voltage @ TS pin is anywhere between 50-70% of VCC_REGN. This will ensure the charger is in normal operation.

    Lastly, the important thing to note here is that once you are only using battery power, the VSYS voltage could drop to <3.4V if your battery is discharged enough. There are two options there:

    1) Add a buck/boost DC/DC converter to VSYS to ensure constant 3.7V or

    2) Make sure a valid 5V source is applied once VBAT is ~ 3.5V 

    Hope this helps,

    Regards,

    Joel H

  • Thank you so much Joel, all I2C and Logic Control Pins are ok (In other schematic sheet)

    What value should i use for ILIM ?
  • You current have ILIM set to 330 ohms, which right now would give you ~1.38A of input current. The ILIM resistor setting you will want could be based on a few things.

    You definitely want it above your max desired charging current, which you said was 800mA.

    You want to also account for input power requirements (use the efficiency graphs, Figure 2 and Figure 3) to determine how much input current you will need for your worst case input voltage (lowest), max charging current, and average system current.

    Consider too peak current of 3A that your system will experience. If this is something you want the charger to handle, and not supplemented by the battery, then I'd recommend the max settable ILIM. Tying the pin to GND will set max input current.

    If you will be controlling the input current limit via I2C through REG00[2:0], then I suggest setting the ILIM higher. The charger uses the lower of the two settings (I2C vs ILIM pin setting).

    Lastly, you have to determine what is the power capability of your input source (+5.0V_SYS in your schematic).


    Regards,
    Joel H
  • Thank you so much dear Joel, my idea is to set 3 A for maximum system current but limiting the battery charguing to 0.8A
  • Limiting the system current draw is something our charger does not do. That is inherent to your system to design.

    The input limit only limits the power supply current to the charger, and ultimately to the battery (charging current) and the system. For example, if you select R_ILIM such that ILIM is 1A, and you program 800mA (via I2C) of charge current via I2C, and you reach the input current limit because your system requires more current, the battery charging current will be reduced until it begins to supplement the system current.

    Like I said, make sure you supply can handle the ILIM you set, and understand that you can also set IINDPM (the I2C equivalent of ILIM) by adjusting register settings.


    Hope this helps!

    Regards,
    Joel H
  • The Global 5V came from a 5 A Buck, 25W, dont worry

    How the charging volltage os generated?

    I dont want to limit the system  draw, only charguing current ( safety)

    Who takes preference, ilim or i2c setting, i supose the first its reached

    Thank you, your support its being amazing

  • No problem Iganico,

    So if you have no limits on input current, I would GND the ILIM pin and set the REG00[2:0] = 0b111 which should be the default because PSEL pin is tied to GND.

    At that point, you limit charge current through REG02[7:2]. Closest you will get is 0b000100 = 768mA of charge current maximum.

    The system will always take priority, so any transient loads or loads that cause the input current limit to be reached (3A), will result in a decrease in charge current, and if even more sufficient, supplemented current from the battery.

    So I recommend tying ILIM to ground, keep PSEL tied to ground, and make sure REG00 and REG02 are set appropriately, and you should be fine. Also, don't forget to modify your schematic as I suggested earlier.


    Regards,
    Joel H
  • Thank you thank you Joel, Now all its fine !!!

    King Regards From Spain, my best wishes !!!

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