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TLV733P: PSIJT and PSIJB parameters for calculating junction temp

Part Number: TLV733P

My customer is using PSIJT and PSIJB parameters to calculate the junction temp of a TLV73318PDQNR in their design.  They are using thermistors epoxied to the IC case and on the ground directly under the IC.

During operation their data showed the ground temp at 73.8C and the top of the die at 88.2C with 210 mA of current.  Power dissipation of 0.315W (3.3Vin to 1.8Vout @ 210mA). 

Using PSIJT the die temp is calculated as:  88.2C + (5.6C/W x.315W) = 89.964C (ambient of 23.3C).

 

Using PSIJB the junction temp is calculated as :  73.8C + (163.9C/W x .315W) = 125.4 C.

1.) Why is there such a difference in their calculations?

2.) Are these calculations and/or their setup valid?

 

3.) The PSIJB parameter for the TLV733P in the DQN package is significantly higher than the PSIJB parameter for the SOT-23 package (163.9C/W vs 54.8C/W). This is counter intuitive as the DQN package has an exposed pad on the bottom which should conduct heat better. Are these values correct?

4.) Does the calculation using PSIJB assume a perfect heat sink with no other heat sources? The customer board has many other heat sources which contribute to the board temp. Does this impact the calculations?

 

  • Hi Allen,

    The following Application Report discusses the measurement methods:

    Further information can be found at  

    Very Respectfully,

    Ryan

  • Hi Ryan,

    Can you confirm the validity of the PSIJB number? The difference in parameters between the DQN and SOT-23 packages seems counter intuitive as the DQN package has an exposed pad on the bottom which should conduct heat better. Are these values correct?

    And will the presence of additional heat sources cause issue in their measurement? The JEDEC 51-6 standard is unclear if other heat source will mess up this measurement.

    Thanks!
  • Hi Allen,

    The PSIJB numbers in the datasheet are consistent with what our thermal modeling teams findings. One thing to keep in mind is that the thermal pad on the DQN is small. Also there are other less intuitive factors that affect thermal metrics such as the leadframe, mold compound, die orientation/location in the package, die attach material, etc.

    The JEDEC measurements are done on a specific board with only the LDO; therefore, they do not account for additional heat sources.

    Very Respectfully,
    Ryan
  • Hi Ryan,

    Please advise on the best way to estimate the junction temperature of this device on a customers board.

    Also, Arris would like to know if we coudl start working up a reliability/life analysis of the device when it is operated above 125C die temperature? The device may be operating above 125C die temperature in the field under certain environments and use cases.

    Please advise.

    Thanks