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TPS22965-Q1: Ipls Rating

Part Number: TPS22965-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS22966-Q1

Hi,

We got a question from the customer about TPS22965-Q1.
Could you help us?

[Question]
- They want to make sure about the meaning of Ipls rating. Does this adopt for continuous pulse? In other words which means 15msec period and 300usec 6A peak pulse(pulse<300us,2% duty ciycle)?

- If pulse current exceeds Ipls rating, even though Tj doesn't exceed rating, is there any possibility to destroy the IC? They assume Tj should exceed the rating to damage the IC. They want to know damaged mechanism of the IC by Ipls.

- If Ipls rating is for continuous pulse, they assume to also say the rating is 850mArms effective value current. Is their understanding correct? In their condition, the continuous pulse like below figure might be occurred. Can the IC survive against this pulse?

Best Regards,
tateo

  • Hi Tateo,

    Let me answer some of your questions one at a time:

    1. They want to make sure about the meaning of Ipls rating. Does this adopt for continuous pulse? In other words which means 15msec period and 300usec 6A peak pulse(pulse<300us,2% duty ciycle)?

    [AK] Yes, this is for a continuous pulse, and it would be for a 300us pulse with a minimum period of 15ms.

    2. If pulse current exceeds Ipls rating, even though Tj doesn't exceed rating, is there any possibility to destroy the IC? They assume Tj should exceed the rating to damage the IC. They want to know damaged mechanism of the IC by Ipls.

    [AK] It is possible to damage a device without having it exceed its maximum junction temperature, and this is from a high amount of current being passed through the device. While overheating is one source of damage, electromigration is another. The maximum current rating of the device is carefully determined based on both power dissipation and electromigration, so exceeding the maximum current ratings for the device put it at risk for damage.

    3. If Ipls rating is for continuous pulse, they assume to also say the rating is 850mArms effective value current. Is their understanding correct? In their condition, the continuous pulse like below figure might be occurred. Can the IC survive against this pulse?

    [AK] What is the temperature range for this application? Both electromigration and power dissipation ratings are affected by temperature, so knowing this would help with our analysis of the pulse given.

    On another note, have you considered using the TPS22966-Q1 with both channels in parallel? This implementation would provide a higher current rating when compared to one TPS22965-Q1 device.

    Thanks,

    Alek Kaknevicius

  • Hi, Thank you for your quick surpport. Their temperature range is 95C max. Could you confirm the reliability in this condition?

    Now TPS22965-Q1 is DIN stage. So they want to keep using this IC as long as no decreasing reliability.

    Best Regards,
    tateo

  • Sorry, I made typo in previous post. The temperature range is 95C max. I fixed typo in previous post, but I inform you of my mistake.

    Best Regards,
    tateo

  • Hi Tateo,

    Thank you for the additional information. Can you also let me know how long the IC will be put through this stress during its lifetime? Also, when the current is not peaking, what is the load current? Does it go from 7.7A to 0A, or does it go to a different value between 7.7A pulses?

    Thanks,

    Alek Kaknevicius

  • Hi, Thank you for your support. I confirmed the condition from customer. Please refer to attached file and let us know your opinion this. This event might continue max 2.0h. But they might be able to fix this time while they build the system more completely.

    TPS22965Q1 Pulse current_11JAN18.pptx

    Best Regards,
    tateo

  • Hi Tateo,

    I have forwarded this current pulse profile to our design team and will let you know when I get their analysis.

    Thanks,

    Alek Kaknevicius

  • Hi, Thank you for your reply. We look forward to your feedback.

    Best Regards,

    tateo

  • Hi Tateo,

    Our design team is currently working on their analysis of this use case. The only other information they need is the VBIAS and VIN voltages to check what the on-resistance of the device is. Could you please provide this? We will have our results soon after.

    Thanks,

    Alek Kaknevicius

  • Hi, Thank you for your support. Their condition is following.

    Vbias=3.3V

    Vin=3.3V

    Best Regards,

    tateo

  • Hi Tateo,

    After checking with the design team, our TPS22965-Q1 device is capable of surviving the 2 hour stress you had mentioned previously at 95C ambient temperature.

    Thank you for your patience,

    Alek Kaknevicius