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LM25116: About design of LM25116

Part Number: LM25116
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5116

Hello,

"At some boards with LM25116, Oscillation phenomenon occurs, causing overcurrent in the input power supply. I have technical questions. 

 We believe that there is a problem with the design of the error amplifier and that there is insufficient phase margin."

above question came from customer.

Because there are many questions,
even partial reply is okay.

Questions from customers are described below.
The inside of () is my guess.

Q1.

In the datasheet P24 there is a description of "CIN> 10 × LIN".
What does this LIN mean?

(Is it parasitic inductance of the input?)

Q2.

DataSheet P21 In the circuit shown in Figure 33,
Why is a 1 μF capacitor connected to Vccx?

(Is it a bypass capacitor?)

Q3.

Is there a way to decide the capacitor of Q2?

Q4.

Does the LM25116 operate with no load?

Q5.

The values of Rcomp and Ccomp are determined using "LM5116_Quickstart.xls".
Is the value calculated here supported from low load to high load?

Q6.

Is not it necessary to calculate the capacitor connected after the power supply circuit?

Q7.

With the value calculated using LM5116_Quickstart.xls,
I measured the loop.
Phase margin and gain margin will vary with load.

Where should the load be set?(Iout max?)

Q8.

Our system has a liquid crystal panel.
The input voltage swings on the pulse by the backlight of the liquid crystal.
Does this state affect phase compensation and operation?

Q9.

At low load,
Is it possible to enter diode emulation mode even if RDEMB is used?
Where is the point to enter diode emulation?

Best regards,

watanabe

  • Hello Wantabe,

    See my responses below.

    Q1 Ans
    Correct, LIN is the line impedance.

    Q2 Ans
    Correct, its a Bypass Cap to the Input of Vccx

    Q3 Ans
    I think you are asking about Coss? The Coss is the output capacitance of the FET, or the capacitance from Drain to source.

    Q4 Ans
    Yes

    Q5 Ans
    for high load, the low load will always be stable, if the high load is.

    Q6 Ans
    Regarding the input capacitor, suggest using ceramic caps that satisfy the RMS ripple current rating. Worse case, this value is Iout*0.5. the capacitance that is selected with this criteria, has more than enough voltage hold up to satisfy normal operation of the buck, no need to calculate the resulting DV from Cin...

    Q7 Ans
    Iout max.

    Q8 Ans
    You should check stability in both cases, if you enter the vin min and max in the calculator it will determine best compensation for the whole of vin range that is entered.

    Q9 Ans
    Yes can run in Diode emulation. The point at which the inductor current goes negative is the point at which you will enter into DCM. That is Iout = 0.5*Delta IL.
  • While there are many questions,
    I appreciate for your quick reply.

    Q.
    There are additional questions.
    Is it necessary to consider capacitors etc. connected to the load side in calculation?

    Best regards,
  • Hello,

    Yes, please make sure you include Cout total for the Cout entry in the quickstart calculator.

    Hope this helps?

    David.