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TPS65130: Big ripple and audible noise on +12V output when the power-save mode is enabled.

Part Number: TPS65130

Hi,

I already spent a lot of time reading other/same cases which were reported in this forum, but it looks like that you didn't have a clear answer to them yet.

I spent some days trying to fix the problem by some minor changes, such as changing the feed-forward compensation networks and etc., since our board is already in mass production now and we need to find a solution that is implementable by minor modifications. Unfortunately, this ripple never showed up in our prototypes in the past and now we are seeing it the first time in our mass production. Even in this same production, some of the boards have no problem, so the problem is non-deterministic!

Details about the problem: a TPS65130 is used in our board to produce -12V and +12V from a +5V input. The pins PSP and PSN are tied to 5V as recommended by the reference designs to activate the power-save mode. The -12V is relatively good, but the +12V has a big ripple and it's inductor is producing audible noise. The ripple is shown in the following picture:

After we patched the board and disabled the power-saving mode, the ripple disappeared. ( *No other solution such as changing the feed-forward capacitors, adding a 1M ohm resistor in parallel to the capacitor on CP, replacing the chip with an older version that we had in our inventory, replacing the inductors with different ones, changing the input and output capacitance and etc fixed the problem by the way.)

The main question: Is PSP (pin number 9 of the chip) internally pulled down or pulled up? If it is pulled down, do you think that it is possible to leave this pin floating, in order to disable the power-save mode in a reliable way? (*we have already produced many PCBs and leaving the pin floating is the only patch that we can do. Connecting the pins to GND is not possible on this PCB.)

Is there any other solution that you would recommend?

  • Hello Nikolay,

    Thanks for the exemplary behavior by reading posts first! That will save a lot of back and forth.

    There are two items that you did not mention but are important as well:

    • Add a 50 Kohm resistor in series with the feedforward cap.
    • We also recommend to isolate AGND from PGND and only connect it through the thermal PAD. Could you provide us the layout for review?

    Thank you.

    Best Regards.

    Ilona

  • Hi,

    We tested the 50k Ohm resistor. No improvement.

    Please consider that we have produced the prototype version of this board two times without any problem and the +12V was working perfectly. Then we started the mass production with an exactly same layout and this problem showed up in mass production for the first time. I have attached the gerber files of the PCB from the area that this circuit is located. TPS65130 is on top layer and the inductors are on bottom layer. The PCB has 12 layers with plugged Vias and it is so dense.

    Please answer my question about the pull-downs on PSP:  "Is PSP (pin number 9 of the chip) internally pulled down or pulled up or floating?" I don't find this information in any document from TI. The answer to this question may help us to get out of this problem.

    Is it possible to have a call with you? This may help to find a solution. A Skype call or hangouts would be even better. Please let us know when you can have this call and phone number or contact information. From morning to midnight of German time zone is OK for us any day that fits for you.

    Kind regards,

    Fabrication.zip

  • Hello Nikolay,

    The PSP/PSN nodes are left floating, no internal pull-up/down resistors are connected. This means for reliable operation you would to connect them against GND (recommended) or VI.

    Yes we can have a call, give me a short note on my company email account (i-weiss@ti.com) and we can discuss.

    Best Regards.
    Ilona