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TPS25942A: Under certain conditions, the Super CAP Charger IC generates noise.

Part Number: TPS25942A

Dear TI,

I have questions about the Super CAP Charger IC.
Under certain conditions, the Super CAP Charger IC generates noise.
Here, the specific condition is that when the input current is low (about 1A or less) when the Super CAP is in the fully discharged state,
Super CAP Charger IC is repeatedly turned on / off, and noise is generated.
(For reference, our product current consumption is about 350mA, and the Super CAP Charger IC Current Limit is 1A.)
It was also measured that the noise was generated intermittently even if the input current was higher than 1A.
It was reproduced frequently at 2A, and rarely occurred at 3A, but occasionally it occurred.
Therefore, when the C_dVdT value was changed, it was measured that no noise occurred when the On / Off repetition period was below the supposed frequency.
① If the input current is insufficient, is it correct operation to operate as above?
=> It is judged that the noise of the Super CAP Charger IC is repeatedly turned on and off repeatedly, We ask whether repeating On / Off is normal operation
② Finally, we will inquire about the occurrence condition of Figure 66 Graph on datasheet and the noise caused by it.
On the datasheet, Auto Retry and Recovery is described as Overload Condition, It is inquired whether it is repeating 3 times arbitrarily, whether it is condition that On / Off is repeated continuously like Graph.
We will also send you an implementation schematic.
  • Hi Han,

    The dvdt cap should be adequately sized otherwise the device starts in current limit mode and auto retries.
    What is the super cap value? Please refer app note www.ti.com/.../slva920.pdf and let me know if you have any questions.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Rakesh,

    Please refer to the following.
    Specifications are as follows.
    -. Vinatech : 7.5F / 6.0V
    => SUPERCAP 2S MODULE 7.5F 6.0V 13x26x28 R=7.5mm
  • Hi Han,

    Thanks for the details.
    Can you check with 100uF as dvdt cap

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Rakesh,

    The recommended MAX value is 470 nF.

    Is there any other problem when testing with 100uF?

  • Hi Han,

    The max Cdvdt limit in the datasheet comes from the auto-retry mode operation as the device would not be completely discharge Cdvdt during auto-retry interval. Otherwise, there is no limit on max Cdvdt.
    This will not be an issue as the device has current limit protection, So, there is no issue in using above 470nF.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Dear Rakesh,

    Sorry for the delay.

    I tested it as follows.

    During the test, the Super Cap can not be charged occasionally in the Charger state.

    If you remove 10uF in this state, normal charge will be done.

    Is the problem of the capacity value of DV / DT?

    Are there recommended capacity values?

    Noise has not been tested yet.

  • Hi Han,

    Good to see progress on this..
    I did not get what you mean by "the Super Cap can not be charged occasionally in the Charger state". Can you please elaborate. Do you want to occasionally charge the supercap when ever you desire, which should be possible with control pin EN.

    Can you share test waveforms of Vin, Vout, input current, dvdt voltage of TPS25942A device for two cases: 10uF, 100uF as dvdt cap values.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Dear Rakesh,

    The meanings of the words are as follows. (the Super Cap can not be charged occasionally in the Charger state)

     => Sometimes the Super Cap is not charging. In other words, it means that it can not be charged.

    I will share the test waveform again next time. Before that, can you solve this problem?

    Customer believes that this device is not suitable for supercap charging.

  • Hi Han,

    Inadequate dvdt cap leads to device turn-off due to thermal shutdown. Which variant of device is used? Auto-retry or Latched?
    Need help with the test waveforms to understand the issue.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh