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LM5085: EMI of TI's DC/DC

Part Number: LM5085

Hi,

Two months ago, I posted a topic related to EMI's performance of The LM5085 DC/DC.

We use it to convert Dc voltage from 28V to 3,3V. The electronic diagram is the following :

We have to respect class 5 of the CISPR25 EMC standard. With this configuration We meet some problems with radiated emission levels. (between 150kHz and 30MHz).

First the requirements were :

- Fsw = 400kHz;

- Output ripple : 100mV (not fixed);

- output max current = 1,4A;

After several researches, we tested different options :

1) Put a bigger gate resistance R4003 in order to slow commutation steps down :


We managed to go over 27 ohms but we have bad thermal and cunsomption results and the spectrum level is the same

 

2) Put a Gate-Drain capacitor :

We don't know how choosing its value


3) Add a RC snubber :


We think it is not necessary because we don't observe overshoot (switch ringing)

 

4) Changing switching frequency Fsw :


Thanks to the Rt resistance, We can choose different switching frequencies.

After several tests We noticed that when we made Fsw higher ( > 500kHz), the radiated emission level seemed to be less important.

But We noticed the switching frequency was not steady. So we wondered, if the LM5085 has stability criteria above a known-frequency.

 

5) Changing the ripple network (R4010, C4011 and C4016) :


We think when reducing output ripple a little we could improve EMC performance.

We found different tutorials answering calculate ripple adjustement but we are not sure, especially for 600 kHz switching ...

 

6) Put a shielded inductance (L4000) :


We noticed that a great amount of magnetic field came from the buck inductance L4000, so we would like to try a shielded inductance like HILP series.

 

We can't route our circuit again, so we are trying to find a great deal of hardware solutions (changing components).

Do you know some tips or advices that treats this kind of question ?

 

Thanks a lot for your answers,

 

Kind regards,

 

Olivier D.

 

  • Hi Olivier,

    I recommend using the Quickstart calculator on the product folder:

    www.ti.com/.../toolssoftware

    The Quickstart calculator will help to recommend the application circuit components for the LM5085. As you change the switching frequency, the passive components will need to change accordingly to ensure a stable system. You can use the Quickstart calculator to verify the stability at different frequencies. The Quickstart calculator will also help with recommending components for the ripple injection circuit, which is also critical to maintain a stable system.

    Also, I see from the previous E2E thread that information was shared on input EMI filters. Did you include an input EMI filter in this design, and could you share this schematic?

    Lastly, as you pointed out it is important to use a shielded inductor (L4000). Making this component change should also help improve the EMI performance.

    Best Regards,
    Katelyn Wiggenhorn
  • Hi Olivier,

    Let's continue this discussion through your second E2E thread, and I will close this thread.

    Best Regards,
    Katelyn