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LM5069: calculation of correct amount of capacitance on the Live Backplane

Part Number: LM5069

Hello,

my customer has questions wrt capacitance requirements for the backplane capacitor mentioned in the data sheet, in section "10.1.2 System considerations" ==> "The capacitor in the Live Backplane section is necessary to absorb the transient generated whenever the hot swap circuit shuts off the load current" and refers to figure 44 (page 28).

  1. He's looking for the formula to determine the correct amount of capacitance on the Live Backplane.
  2. Also, the diagram shows a polarized capacitor.  Should we implement a Tantalum or is a Ceramic fine also?

Thx,

Marcus

  • Hi Marcus,

    Usually the output capacitance of the power supply powering the Live Backplane is good enough. What is more important is the clamping diodes at the input and the output of the hot-swap circuit to limit the voltage within the ABS Max rating of the device.
    Please refer Section 9.2.1.2.8 Input and Output Protection in www.ti.com/.../lm5066.pdf
    You may like to refer brief article on the same www.powerelectronics.com/.../tvs-clamping-hot-swap-circuits

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hello Rakesh,

    thx for your quick reply. My customer came back w/ some follow on questions/remarks:

    Customer is wondering why TI would put the statement regarding “adding the backplane capacitance” in the data sheet if power supply capacitance is usually enough?

    In their application, they have one 24VDC (i.e. 24V @ 5A) source providing power for up to twelve module bases. The bases, when connected in series, form one long Copper bus that allows distribution of the 24V power. Their modules are then plugged into these bases.

    They do implement a 33V TVS component across the input to the LM5069.


    Thank You,

    Marcus
  • Hi Marcus,

    TVS right at the input of LM5069 is the key requirement for transient protection, any additional capacitance on the live plane would help reduce the stress on the TVS diode.

    It is a generic statement made in the datasheet -> as the amount of capacitance depends on the path impedance and the load current the hot swap circuit shuts off. As a general thumb rule (1uF/1W), I would recommend 120uF for this 120W source.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hello Rakesh,

    again thanks for your reply. I got one more add on question if there is a formula for capacitance that includes path impedance and hot-swap load current? (with reference to your general rule of thumb (1u/1W).)

    Thanks,
    Marcus

  • Hi Marcus,

    Whenever the hot swap circuit shuts off the load current, all the energy stored in the path inductance (parasitics) should be absorbed by the capacitor. Using the energy balance equation 1/2L*i*i = 1/2C*v*v and assuming 100nH at the source side of live backplane, 100A of interruption current by the hot-swap.
    The amount of capacitance needed to restrict voltage rise to 10V => C=L*i*i/(v*v) = 100nH*100*100/(10*10) = 10uF.

    Remember, this is on the live backplane. The Hot-swap still needs TVS right at its input.

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Marcus,

    Does this clarify you? Any followup questions from the customer?

    Best Regards,
    Rakesh
  • Hi Rakesh,

    no further questions were addressed to me until now. So I consider this to be closed.

    Best Regards,
    Marcus