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LM3671TL-1.8EV: PWM to PFM mode transition

Part Number: LM3671TL-1.8EV

Hi,

the datasheet  of LM3671TL is unclear about transition from PWM to PFM and from PFM to PWM mode. 

Actually it say that it switch to PFM mode when the NFET current reaches zero  or if the peak PMOS switch current drops below the IMODE level, (Typically IMODE < 30 mA + VIN/42 Ω). But there is no note when it switch back to the PWM mode.

Then for 3.6V it should be 30mA + 3.6/24   = 0.03 + 0.15  = 0.18 A (180mA). But the description say:  VIN = 3.6 V, PWM to PFM transition happens at approximately 50 mA and PFM to PWM transition happens at approximately 100 mA. This is a bit off.  Please could you clarify this? 

We have a device which is sensitive to noise on power level and in PWM mode it is OK, but in PFM mode it is failing. How ever is seems that LM3671TL have some switching tolerance and some modules are failing. 

  • Hi Juri,

    it's my pleasure to support you.

    I think there is a typo in what you calculated. Let's start from the beginning. The datasheet states:

    "The device automatically transitions into PFM mode when either of two conditions occurs for a duration of 32 or more clock cycles:

    1. The NFET " (LOW SIDE MOSFET) "current reaches zero.

    2. The peak PMOS" (HIGH SIDE MOSFET) "switch current drops below the IMODE level, (Typically IMODE < 30 mA + VIN/42 Ω)"

    So, depending on the Inductor current's ripple, one might meet the condition 1 or 2 first while the output current decreases. Furthermore IMODE=116 mA circa, not 180mA. On the next page, by the way:

    "If the load current should increase during PFM mode (see Figure 31) causing the output voltage to fall below the low2 PFM threshold, the device will automatically transition into fixed-frequency PWM mode."

    So  the condition to exit PFM is stated, and it clearly depends not on the current alon, but also on the output capacitor (which determines the voltage drop to kick PWM operation in). As you said, on the same paragraph you can find the load current thresholds estimation:

    "when VIN = 3.6 V, PWM to PFM transition happens at approximately 50 mA and PFM to PWM transition happens at approximately 100 mA".

    Given the dependency of the threshold currents from the Inductor current's ripple and output capacitor, this estimation is clearly made for a specific application case and reported just to give an idea of how the thresholds can change with the input voltage.

  • Hi Emmanuel,
    thanks for clarification. However two points are sill unclear to me.
    1) How did you calculate 116mA? Actually we are using 3.3V for powering the DCDC, so Im interested for this values.
    2) In figure 31 is a approximation for Low1 and High PFM threshold but this approximation is missing for Low2 threshold. Could you estimate it?

    We are definitely hitting a PWM->PFM transition as we are droping current from cca 150mA to few mA in couple us and then after cca 250us the current rise back to 150mA (average is about 134mA) for a 200us.

    How ever we have also a state where we are consuming about 80mA (avg, Im not 100% sure about this value) for a longer time and some time it seems that DCDC is in PFC state and some time not. Probably we are around the PFM->PWM threshold and some device transition to the PWM and some not. It seems that the radio gets noisy due to PFM or PFM->PWM transition and it ruins the transmitting/reception.

    Im definitely sure that we cannot use this DCDC in next design as it seems that we need to control the PFM feature. The DCDC itself is working nice just not in our case. Could you recommend another DCDC with similar (or smaller) package with MODE control of without PFM and super low question current in off mode, we need cca 250mA peak ?

    Regards,
    Jiri