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TPS92518: mechanisum about flicker with shunt FET dimming?

Part Number: TPS92518

Hello

My customer had still random flicker issue for their board when approx. 0.1% duty.

I had recommended customer to have a resistor to shunt FET source ( So, or higher Rdson of shunt FET), and

it seems effective .

So, customer want to have your advice to proceed innext step design (for pilot run).

Would you please advise about my 4 questions?


Issue on Customer’s board :

Even though L was increased to 330uF ( theoretically, 250uF is enough as per customer)
and MAXOFF were optimized, but at 0.1% duty (shunt FET is 99.9%  on) and following,
customer has  visible random flicker.

when
VIN is varied
Ambient temperature changed


Verification
So, I had followed using TPS92518EVM , and customer’s issue was verified. ( page 2~ on attached ppt file)
I had verified as customer saying.

Question 1

The flicker exist if duty is slightly changed or VIN were changed or ambient temp changed.
It seems the “ sweet spot “   on approx. every 0.5% duty.
But, do you know the mechanism of this phenomenon?
I ‘ve found another post as following.
Do you agree this is the mechanism?

e2e.ti.com/.../502316 shunt


>I think the main problems are disturbance when switching on the shunt dim transistor and high input voltage together
>with low output voltage when shunt dimming.
>The disturbance will vary a bit depending on when in the regulation cycle the shunt dim transistor is switched on.
>This is probably where the randomness comes from.
>Worst is when the high side transistor is conducting and it is at the end of the on-time.
>At this time the current is already at max through the inductor and there is a short delay between HG pin low and high side
>switch completely off which means it can still conduct when the shunt transistor activates.
>This together with the high current in the inductor results in a short high peak current which can disturb the regulation
>and directly start a new charging cycle.
>
>When input voltage is high and output voltage is low while shunt dimming, the resulting minimum on-time,
>which is limited to a minimum value by the driver, is still too long which results in too high peak current through the inductor.
>I will try to put a resistor in series with the shunt transistor to limit the peak current.

Question 2
Do you have a criteria for Maximum vale (uH) for inductor?
 
We know eq (41) in data sheet is minimum.
Customer think as large as possible seems good result ( good for random flicker) ,except
size/cost but, but how do you think?

Question3
Do you agree my corrective action to add resistor in shunt FET source for bigger VLED?

The shunt FET which customer is using is very low Rdson 20mohm compared with the FET in
EVM user’s guide:FCD5N60TN 0.86ohm)

Question4
Do you think flywheel  diode SL310A is no problem?
goodarksemi.com/.../SL32A-SL310A.pdf

When customer add high temp to flywheel diode, the flicker increased.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Best egards

TPS92518_flicker_mechanism.pptx

  • Hello Kanji,

    Question 1) Your pulse width is very small. It doesn't even include one switching pulse. This will always flicker unless the PWM is synchronized with the switching frequency. If the current is at the high end of the ripple there will be more current to the LEDs then when it's at the low end of the ripple, the light will increase and decrease depending on when the PWM pulse lines up with the ripple (like a beat frequency). The only way to reduce this is to reduce the ripple, increase the switching frequency to have multiple switch states per PWM pulse or synchronize the PWM to the Fsw (which varies and would be difficult to do). Increasing the inductor value is probably the easiest.

    Question 2) The larger inductor will reduce this. It can be much larger in value, size will probably be the limit.

    Question 3) The Vf of the freewheel diode is the largest part of the voltage drop when shunted. Adding that resistance is changing the on-time. Seems that really shouldn't help. I do notice the PWM pulse is wider when the resistor is there.

    Question 4) What is the output current? The oscilloscope pictures show 1A/div and 2A/div? Is the maximum off-time set correct?

    Best Regards,
  • Dear Irwin-san

    Thank you for your answer quickly.

    Customer and I will discuss on Monday, so please wait a few days.

    Thank you 

  • Dear Irwin-san

    Customer and I  am still discussing, but please treat  this as resolved.

    I will have another post if necessary.

     Best Regards