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+5V to 42V step regulator design

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5155, TPS55340

I am looking for a step-up regulator design from +5V  to approx. 42V with an Iout Max of 700mA - 1A. The most important additional factor is the approx. MAX size of the final design. I have a very limited amount of PCB real estate. I probably have no more than 20mm x 20mm but probably even less than this. If I can't find something within this area I might need to go to a lower output voltage (maybe even drop to half of the Voltage output !). What would be good also if this regulator had the option for a negative output as well. Can you help me with this ?

  • Hello Shmuel,

    Thank you for reaching out.  Please consider the LM5155  boost controller.  You can select high profile inductor to reduce the footprint size to fit into your form factor.   

    Best Regards,

    Youhao Xi, Applications Engineering

  • Dear Youhao Xi,

    Thank you for getting back to me. The LM5155 looks like it might be a bit "over kill" for my design. Also it is a little difficult to know what the Approx. PCB area might be as in the data sheet for the design e.g. (. Design Example Parameters) it only give the option for 24V and I will need also -ve supply as well. 

    I did did a little bit more research and narrowed down my requirements a little more :-

    I need 2 output supplies between 0.75A - 1A. I could be I could go a little lower than this but not much. I think I am going to have a total Max PCB area of 400 mm squared (when using both sides of the PCB). My Max input voltage is +5V. I am looking at +/-12V or if I can find something +/-24 V would be better. I doubt +42V & -24V outputs are not going to be even an option for the area I have (even though this would give me the most flexibility in my design !). I have been sorting through some options offered by Analog\Linear Devices and the best thing I have found so far is the the LT8582 1.5MHz, 5V to ±12V Boost and Inverting Converter (found in the Typical Applications). I did a basic calculation of PCB area just used by the components and I think the area comes out to approx 240 mm squared. 

    Do you know of any better than this ?

     Thanks in advanced 

    Shmuel 

  • Hi Shmuel,

    Not sure about your efficiency requirement.  The LM5155 can implement +/- dual outputs in a sepic, or flyback with dual output rail.  The main issue is not the controller but the magnetics which fits in your pcb form factor.   If you can contact a TI sales personnel or FAE in your region, they can help you to get a reference design.  Like I recommended earlier, the LM5155 (2mm x 3mm) should be the best way to go. You are talking about >50W (42V or 12V, Q1A). Not understand why you said the LM5155 is an overkill. 

    Thanks,

    Youhao

  • Hi Shmuel,

    Can I assume the issue is resolved?  Let me close it here but you can re-open it by adding a new post.  If you have any updates, please let us known.

    Thanks,

    Youhao 

  • Dear Youhao,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Could you please tell me what would be the Max Current(for each supply) that the LM5155 in a dual configuration +/- 12V c.f. +/-24V would be ?

    Best regards

    Shmuel 

  • Hi Shmuel,

    Sepic can easily do 50W total power.  For the LM5155, its driver is 1.5A peak strong, so you may be able to process up >75W total.  For your split rail, that means up to 1.5A for your +/-24V, or up to 3A for your +/-12V design. 

    Thanks,

    Youhao

  • Dear Youhao,

    Thanks for getting back to me ! 

    We need a a max current of 0.75A - 1A for either solution. Do you have something else that might work for either +/-12V or +/-24V that will give me a smaller total PCB area ? 

    Best regards

    Shmuel 

  • Any updates ?

  • Sorry for the delay because I just came back from a business trip.

    Like mentioned, this can be done with the LM5155 in a SEPIC configuration.  We do have a dual output SEPIC to generate +/- dual output rails (link below).  You can use the same topology but need to change the transformer and Vout setting.  You may not need the secondary stage filter inductors of this ref design.

    http://www.ti.com/tool/PMP40488

    Hope this help.

    Best Regards,

    Youhao

  • Thank you for getting back to me.

    I need +/-12V 0.6A - 0.8A (or if possible +/-24V 0.6A - 0.8A - but I doubt I will manage this much in my small PCB area !). So I think LM5155 will not fit into my limited PCB area - I don't need "1.5A for your +/-24V, or up to 3A for your +/-12V" - do you have anything more suitable for my design ?

    So far the initial layout for the LT8582  gave me approx. a Total of 330 mm^2 (on both sides of my PCB - but in the propoer design I am sure it will be a little bigger than this) but it would be great if I could find a something a little more compact ?! Note the LT8582 design gives me +/- 12v with a max of 600mA for each supply ! Do you have anything possibly that can give me a smaller area with the same spec or better ?

  • You need first decide how much power to go with.  If you want 0.8A, for +/- 12V output, this needs 19.2W, and for the +/-24V, it is 38.4W, neither of which can be supported by the LT8582. 

    If you want to have one design able to support both cases, then the Lm5155 is the right one to go with.  38.4W is not a small power and it can hardly be  supported by a converter (integrated FETs). 

    If you can reduce your power to  below 20W, we do have the TPS55340 converter (integrated FETs) and you can implement it with a dual sepic topology.

    Thanks,

    Youhao

  • I think that we could manage with a design < 20W. 

    For the time being we can manage with the +/-12V @ 600mA design given by the LT8582 - for which we at least have an idea of how much PCB are might take.

    It appears that a design using  LM5155 will not fit into the PCB area that we have 

    Are you able to provide a design e.g. using your suggested TPS55340 to give both +12V & -12 supply so that I can get an idea of the PCB area such a design would take and the current it could provide ?

  • Please contact a TI sales representative or FAE in your region, and through them to make a ref design request to TI PDS group.

    We also have a SEPIC design tool at the following link.  You design for full power, then chose a transformer with three windings (two secondary windings) to get +12V and -12V rails. 

    http://www.ti.com/lit/zip/slvc433

    Thanks,

    Youhao