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LM5069: LM5069 used in 24V Vehicles (trucks and tractors)

Part Number: LM5069
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5060-Q1, TIDA-01167, LM74700-Q1

Good morning,

I'm studying the Application Report SNVA683 (Surge Stopping and Reverse Voltage Protection with the LM5069). My task is to protect the regulator I've after the LM5069 from Load Dump and from Jump start in vehicles with 24V battery (trucks and tractors) and other industrial vehicles that have 12V battery. The regulator currently used in the vehicles cannot be changed and it works from 6.5 to max 36V, and provide about 1A continuously with 3A peak.

The whole system is directly connected to the Veichle's battery all the time and the user cannot access it to change a fuse.

Looking at the Figure 5 of the SNVA683 Application Report (that include the Zener Z2 on the gate for output voltage clamping) my questions are:

- is the circuit of Figure 5 safe to be used in a 24V truck as is, based on the above regulator's specs? If not, what do you suggest as modifications?

- in the case of a surge (like load dump or jump start), the use of the TVS Z1 and the use of the Zener Z2 protect the regulator so that NEVER the voltage will get close to 36Vcc, knowing that in 24V Vehicles the Load dump could reach 600V for about 400ms?

- The capacitors C3 and C4 are rated for 200V. Why so high voltage on that branch?

- Based on the above, what MOSFETs do you suggest for Q1 and Q2 ?

- There are special consideration to handle about conducted EMI, since the current regulator (that will be on the LM5069 Vout) have it's own pi-filter that is verified to be compliant with  EN 55022 Class B?

I've considered also the TIDA-01167 that use the LM5060-Q1, but unfortunately abandoned because of the space available in the target application,  too complex, costly and with too many parts.

The LM5069 seems to be the solution... unless you say different.


Thanks in advance for an answer.

  • Hi Michele,

    Welcome to E2E and thanks for reaching us for your requirement.

    Can you clarify below points to direct you towards suitable solution.

    • Is non-automotive grade device OK for your system ?
    • During load dump event, is it OK if we turn-OFF the path ?

    BR, Rakesh

  • Hi Rakesh,

    about your questions:

    • Is non-automotive grade device OK for your system ?
      • Yes, I can accept this even if an Automotive grade solution could be perfect.
    • During load dump event, is it OK if we turn-OFF the path ?
      • Yes, even turning off the path is an acceptable solution.

    Thank you very much for your support.

    Best regards,

    Mike.



  • Hi Mike,

    Our devices can support up to 200V load dump transients. We don't have solution for 600V, 400ms load dump specification.

    Best regards,

    Rakesh

  • Hi Rakesh,

    I'm sorry for the confusion.

    All I need is to be ISO 7637-2 and ISO 16750-2 compliant.

    There are solutions for that, as per the specifications stated above for the current regulator in use?

    Thank you.

    Best regards,

    Mike.

  • Hi Mike,

    LM5060-Q1 is our recommendation to support ISO transients. These transients generate large currents which would cause LM5069 to trip the path. If it is the case, all the energy has to be dumped into the input side TVS which is difficult to handle.

    In TIDA-01167, LM5060-Q1 is configured to share the energy to the load.

     

    Best regards, Rakesh

  • Thank you Rakesh for your support.

    I've seen before the TIDA-01167 as you suggested. Unfortunately that solution is out of budget and, mostly, out of space constraint because high in components count.

    My hope was to find a comparable solution a bit more complex from the assembly standpoint.

    For instance, I've seen the AN-1533 that looks promising. Could that solution be viable, adding for instance a SMDJ43 TVS on the Vin and calculating the R1 and R2 in order to trip at about 34V?

    Or, instead of the above mentioned SMDJ43 TVS, use a combination of AN-1533 protected by the ideal diode controller LM74700-Q1 set as per Figure 21 of that part's datasheet.

    What you could suggest?

    Best regards,

    Mike.

  • Hi Mike,

    For suppressed load dump support (i.e., 65V max for 24V battery system), LM74700-Q1 + LM5069 (as per AN-15533) can be used.

    Please reach me via email for solution details on unsuppressed load dump support 

    BR, Rakesh