This thread has been locked.

If you have a related question, please click the "Ask a related question" button in the top right corner. The newly created question will be automatically linked to this question.

TLV758P: Vout accurancy, TLV75801PDRVR

Part Number: TLV758P

Hi team,

I'd like to ask Vout accurancy of TLV75801PDRVR.

I'm introducing TLV75801PDRVR for customer.

I know this device doesn't have fixed output.

Vout is 1.5v. (required in 1.4v~1.65v.)

Do you have any solution for this accuracy?

Best regards,

Kento

  • Hi Kento,

    I understand you would like a setpoint design for your customer.
    I assumed a nominal voltage of 1.525, which sits right in the middle of the lower (1.4V) and upper (1.65V).

    The design requires 1.525 +/- 8.2%.  This is very achievable with the TLV758.
    Below I will describe an option of R1 and R2 resistors for the setpoint.
    The other parameters which fit in the +/- 8.2% tolerance window are in the datasheet.
    These include steady state parameters (line regulation, load regulation) as well as transient conditions (line transient and load transient).

    Let's set the upper resistor R1 to 24k and R2 to 13.7k. 
    Let's run a 100,000 monte carlo analysis on the output and plot the +/- 3 sigma values.
    Here are the results:

    Vout Average: 1.514704V
    Vout Standard Deviation: 8.838mV
    Vout 3 sigma: 8.838m*3 = 26.514mV

    Vout Nominal Desired: 1.525V
    Set the limit lines to be +/- 3% of the nominal desired value.
    Lower limit: 1.525 * 97% = 1.47925V
    Upper limit: 1.525*1.03 = 1.57075V

    Here is the histogram plotted as a line chart of the results.

    Thanks,

    - Stephen

  • Hi, Stephen-san.

    ->let me post here on behalf of Kento, Sato.

    ・could you try the simulation in case of 95℃?

    ・is below correct ?

    please check how they calc "how much vout would be varied" is correct or not for below step.

    1.they get how much voltage would be varied with below specific condition

     Vfb..0.55V, R1...24k  R2...11k+2.7k (±5% , Temp coefficient..50ppm/℃ , ambient 95℃)

    2.they put output regulation variation from its datasheet (±1.5%)

    the expected result would be 1.42~1.62V

    is there anything customer has to care?

    (is there any information how much Vfb is varied as Min ~ Max?)

  • Hi Stephen-san,

    Thank you for your kindly support.

    Please support us with reply for MASA-san's question.

    Best regards,
    Kento

  • Hi Kento,

    Please let me know if I misunderstood the customers question in my reply below.

    The simulation was completed across temperature. 

    So at exactly 95C it will only get better as the Vref tolerance will be closer to +1% than +1.5% on the high end.
    The datasheet lists Vref tolerance at 25C, -40C to +85C, and -40C to +125C.  There is no specific data right at 95C.

    As you can see below, the Vref test data was collected with the following conditions. Transients are not included (line transient, load transient), load regulation is not included (Iout is only 1mA), and line regulation is not included.  So you should add those in to your calculations.

    Thanks,

    - Stephen

  • Hi, Stephen-san.

    thanks your support.

    hope you could have comment as in-line for each of question.

    what customer asked us is to simulate at 95℃。

    please consider to take this action.

    ・could you try the simulation in case of 95℃?

    ・is below correct ?

    please check how they calc "how much vout would be varied" is correct or not for below step.

    1.they get how much voltage would be varied with below specific condition

     Vfb..0.55V, R1...24k  R2...11k+2.7k (±5% , Temp coefficient..50ppm/℃ , ambient 95℃)

    2.they put output regulation variation from its datasheet (±1.5%)

    the expected result would be 1.42~1.62V

    is there anything customer has to care?

    (is there any information how much Vfb is varied as Min ~ Max?)

  • Hi Masaharu,

    ・could you try the simulation in case of 95℃?

    There is insufficient data in the datasheet to review the tolerance exactly at 95C.
    The analysis will get better if the temperature range is limited to 95C than what I provided.

    ・is below correct ?

    The output voltage regulation variation (±1.5%) was collected with the following conditions. Transients are not included (line transient, load transient), load regulation is not included (Iout is only 1mA), and line regulation is not included.  So you should add those in to your calculations.

    Thanks,

    - Stephen

  • hi, Stephen-san.

    thanks your support.

    There is insufficient data in the datasheet to review the tolerance exactly at 95C.
    The analysis will get better if the temperature range is limited to 95C than what I provided.

     

    ・could you try the simulation in case of 95℃? could you simulate with specific temp like 95℃?

    I would like to ask you to simulate with specific condition. this is what customer needs to get this business.

  • Hi Masa,

    Unfortunately limiting the temperature range to 95C will not reduce the amount of drift the LDO's output will experience. This is because the temperature drift of an LDO is dominated by the temp drift of the reference and in general bandgap references tend to reach their highest voltage somewhere in the range of 65C-85C. So the worst case drift will almost always be from -40C to ~75C, and temperatures higher than ~75C will actually show better drift performance. 

    So, since the customer's temperature range still includes 75C the results of the analysis that Stephen did still remains the same. 

  • Hi, Kyle-san.

    thanks your support.

    may i get to know how much Vfb would be varied if you have the data within temp range datasheet specified ?

    could you tell me what temperature range we used to get below histogram ? (-40~125℃?)

  • Hi Masa,

    This histogram does cover the -40C to 125C temp range, but recall that the bandgap/feedback temp drift reaches it's peak close to 75C so the temperature range of -40C to 75C has the same maximum drift as the range of -40C to 125C. 

  • hi, Kyle-san.

    thanks your support.

    i believe that i can close the question from customer by showing our conversation here.

    thanks so much