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TPS3840-Q1: ABOUT MIN RESET TIME DELAY

Part Number: TPS3840-Q1

Hi TI-team

My customer want to know min reset time delay.

Please let me know the value when CT pin = open, 10nF, 1uF.

Also, they want to know the TYP value when the CT pin is open.

The value of the red frame above.

 

Best Regards,

Koji Hayashi

  • Koji,

    The minimum and maximum Reset time delay when using a capacitor can be calculated using equation 5 and 6 in the datasheet and using R_CT minimum and maximum values.

    We do not provide a minimum or maximum for reset time delay when not using a capacitor because we do not test these limits, only the maximum value. We do have data that suggest ~6 us typical and ~5 us minimum on the reset time delay without a capacitor but these values are not guaranteed. Please note the reset time delay with no capacitor can vary depending on board layout and parasitic capacitance on the CT trace. Please let me know if you have any additional questions. Thanks!

  • Hi Micahael-san

    Thank you for quick response.

    I saw equation 5 and 6.

    However, for Equation 5, the value of tD (nocap, min) is unknown.

    How caliculation it ?

     

    Best Regards,

    Koji Hayashi

  • Koji-san,

    tD (no cap, min) is not a spec we guarantee and depends on the layout and parasitic capacitance of the pin trace. A ~5 us estimation for tD(no cap, min) is a safe estimate based on data we have.

    Please let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks!

  • Hi Michael-san
    Sorry for my late reply.
    In "7.6 Timing Requirements", the tD MAX is 50μs when the CT pin is open.
    However, in "8.3.2 User-Programmable Reset Time Delay", the minimum value is described as 50μs.
    which one is correct ?
    I think the minimum value will be 5μs from your past answers.
    Best Regards,
    Koji Hayashi
  • Koji-san,

    I apologize for the confusion. tD MAX is 50us when the CT pin is open. The minimum programmable reset time delay configuration is with no capacitor (CT is floating) and is 50us max. The value is 50us max, but the configuration (no capacitor) is the minimum delay configuration. We do not guarantee the minimum value with no capacitor, but we estimate the minimum reset delay with no capacitor is ~5us. So please note 7.6 table describes the no capacitor reset delay value as 50 us MAX, and 8.3.2 describes the minimum reset delay configuration = no capacitor = 50 us MAX. Adding a capacitor increases the delay from the minimum configuration of no capacitor. As previously mentioned, the minimum reset delay value with no capacitor depends on the layout and operating conditions, but we estimate ~5us minimum.

    Please let me know if this is understood.

  • Hi Michael-san

     

    Thank you for quick response.

     

    I think the reset time delay is the shortest when the variation of CT pin = open is the minimum value.

    What is the reason for not testing the minimum value ?

     

    Best Regards,

    Koji Hayashi

  • Koji-san,

    The reason the minimum value with CT = open is not tested is because it depends on layout, trace width, trace length, parasitic capacitance. We recommend capacitor > 200 pF for a programmable delay capacitor value. Anything less than 200 pF can be considered "CT = open" so this can really depend on what CT is connected to. We have measured this value to be ~5 us but we do not guarantee this value because it will vary.

    Can I ask why the minimum value with CT = open is important in the application?

  • Hi Michael-san

     

    Thank you for response.

    I understand.

    >Can I ask why the minimum value with CT = open is important in the application?

    I asked the customer and got the following answer.

    This is because the IC verifies the period during which Lo output is possible when it falls below V_IT-.

     

    Best Regards,

    Koji Hayashi