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TPS65023: PMIC Suggestion

Part Number: TPS65023
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS650861, TPS6521815, BOOSTXL-TPS650861, TPS65912, TPS65261-1

Hi,

I am using XC7K160T-2FBG676I KINTEX FPGA in my new board design. Customer requiremnt is to use PMIC instead of multiple regulators. So can you please suggest a PMIC.

  • Hi Shifali,

    Can you please provide the results of the Xilinx Power Estimator for their design? FPGAs span a large range of currents and # of IO rails, so it is difficult to propose a single solution.

    TPS65023 and TPS6521815 are both popular FPGA attach PMICs due to their flexibility and ability to work with discrete parts, though something like TPS650861 may be more appropriate if they need multiple high current rails.

  • Shifali,

    7K160 (Kintex-7) has 162k logic cells & 600 DSP slices.

    KU3P (Kintex UltraScale+) has 356k logic cells & 1,368 DSP slices.

    We recommend using TPS650861 for powering KU3P, so logically it seems to me that TPS650861 can also power 7K160.

    You can order BOOSTXL-TPS650861 and samples of the PMIC to program the device and test the performance for your application.

  • Hi,

    Please find the attached Power estimation sheet.
    0412.NTIS_XPE-TI.xlsx

  • Shifali,

    Based on your XPE file, it appears to me that you now have 3 choices, and the correct answer would depend on: (a) the input voltage, (b) the rest of the system, and (c) whether you prefer programming a PMIC or setting output voltages manually.

    • TPS650861 - If the input voltage is in the range of 5.6V-21V and the rest of the system is complex, the TPS650861 is still a good choice. You can use DCDC1 to generate 3.6V from the higher input voltage supply and use BUCK3/4/5 to generate the VCCINT, MGTAVCC, MGTAVTT rails and LDOs to generate the rest of the rails. DCDC2, BUCK6, and VTTLDO would be un-used, but it would still be a very cost-effective design.
    • TPS6521815 - If the input voltage is 5V and the rest of the system is relatively simple, the TPS6521815 is a great choice and can be programmed using the BOOSTXL-TPS6521815 board.
    • TPS65023 - If you want to perform sequencing manually and set the output voltage using external resistor dividers, this is still a good choice. Programming a PMIC like the TPS6521815 or TPS650861 (User-programmable DIY PMICs) requires some additional investment in time to get started

    For example, here is a power tree using TPS6521815:

    TPS6521815 Rail Max DC Current Voltage Xilinx Rail Name Current Required
    DCDC1 1.8 A 1.0 V VCCINT, VCCBRAM 1.572 A
    DCDC2 1.8 A 1.0 V MGTAVCC 1.049 A
    DCDC3 1.8 A 1.2 V MGTAVTT 0.928 A
    DCDC4 1.6 A 3.3 V VCCO 3.3V 42 mA*
    LDO1 400 mA 1.8 V VCCAUX 387 mA

    Ext LDO

    (EN by GPO1 of PMIC)

    Any size 1.8 V MGTVCCAUX, VCCADC 40 mA, 30mA

    *3.3V supply can be the input to all the LDOs to improve efficiency and may also be required to power peripheral ICs, which will add to current consumption for this rail.

    TPS65023 can be used in a similar way (DCDC1-3 supply the same rails), but LDO1 would supply 200mA at 1.8V for MGTVCCAUX,VCCADC and LDO2 would supply 200mA at 3.3V for VCCO 3.3V because the DEFLDO1/2 pins only allow 4 options for LDO1/2 output voltages and 1.8V/3.3V is almost always the best choice. With the TPS65023, you would need to supply VCCAUX with an external regulator.

    Let me know what you think about these options.

  • Hi,

    I have two cases.

    Case 1: Using TPS650861 in my design.

    I will be only using 3 step down convertors and 3 LDOs. And not use controllers and load switch. Can i leave pins open/ floating.

    Case 2: Using TPS6521815 in my design.

    I wil,be using DCDC1 to DCDC4 and 1 LDO. I will not use DCDC5 ,DCDC6 and load switches. Can i leave pins open/ floating.

  • Shifali N said:

    Case 1: Using TPS650861 in my design.

    I will be only using 3 step down convertors and 3 LDOs. And not use controllers and load switch. Can i leave pins open/ floating.

    Please refer to TPS65086x Schematic and Layout Checklist (Rev. A)

    Shifali N said:

    Case 2: Using TPS6521815 in my design.

    I wil,be using DCDC1 to DCDC4 and 1 LDO. I will not use DCDC5 ,DCDC6 and load switches. Can i leave pins open/ floating.

    Please refer to TPS6521815 datasheet, page 93, section 6.1.2 Applications Without Battery Backup Supplies

  • Hi,

    How about using TPS65912 for design. 

     

  • Shifali,

    TPS65912 is an OTP-based, factory-programmed PMIC. There are a few variants of this device (TPS659121, TPS659122, TPS659127), but if they do not match your design exactly for voltages and sequencing then they will not work and this PMIC cannot be re-programmed.

    What motivated you to select this device? It sounds like overkill for your system with the PMIC having 4 DC-DCs & 10 LDOs.

  • Brian,

    It was suggested by texas instruments Power for Xilinx FPGA.

    Also can you please suggest me other PMICs which is hardware configurable for Kintex-7. I need hardware configurable PMICs.

    Should have minimum 3 Buck regulator which has maximum output current of atleast 2.5A.

    In case of TPS65023 the maximum output current of buck is 1.7A. My core VCCINT current is arount 1.65A. So please suggest me some other PMIC whic is hardware configurable

  • Shifali,

    Please look at TPS65261-1 PMIC device. This will meet your requirements.

  • Brian,

    Please consider below cases

    1. I need a hardware configurable PMIC .

    2. which has around  4 buck regulator with current rating of around 2.5A or more

    3.  3 or more LDOs .

    4. I need a PMIC similar to TPS65023 but with more current output. TPS65261-1 has only 3 bucks. I also need LDOs

  • There is not a single Hardware Configurable PMIC that meets your requirements.

    You may need to use 1-2 Hardware Configurable PMIC + multiple discrete DC-DCs and LDOs to complete your design.

    You can search all Hardware Configurable PMICs using the parametric search if you want to verify:

    http://www.ti.com/power-management/multi-channel-ics-pmic/products.html#p3284=Hardware%20configurable