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LM5088-Q1: LM5088-1 Output drops for load current >0.4A

Part Number: LM5088-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM5088

Hello,

I am using LM5088-1 device in one of my project for the input range 30V - 60V and Output voltage 12V/5A. The basic schematic is generated using the Webench Power design tool for the specification defined.

The observation is described below:

For the input voltage <38V and a 10R output load, the device is able to maintain the output power. But i see there is temperature raise for this 20% load current.

For the input range > 38V and 10R output load, the device output voltage significantly drops to ~4.5V

Below is the schematic for your reference, I have verified the schematic and the component values several time and also verified with the calculator provide for the LM5088 device.

In the above schematic and replace the Cdith = 100nF, Ccomp = 270pF, Chf = 47pF. Also the behavior is same with the values shown in the schematic

Below is the layout for the above schematic : Top layer

Layer 2:

Layer 3:

Layer 4:

Layer5:

Bottom Layer:

I see if current sense if hitting the limit, I have reduced the current sense resistor to 7.5mR and also shorted directly to ground. But the behavior is not positive.

Also tide the Css and Rt GND connection directly to IC Gnd pin using a jump. I understand the jumper wire would not so effective can misbehave sometime, expected at least some improvements if this is a issue. But no luck .

I have captured the waveforms on the SW node and the output, but no able understand the behavior of the device operation:

SW at Input voltage 35V @ 10R load

SW node with input voltage VIN = 45, VOUT = 11.15V @ 10R Load

VIN = 50, VOUT = 5V @ 10R Load

Request TI experts and other members in this community to suggest on how to resolve issue at the earliest.

For any more information feel free to ask me

Regards,

Anand M

  • Hi Anand,

    Looks like an instability issue. The switch node connected through a via is not ideal. The HF input capacitor could be be close the device. All the caps via trace to GND is also not ideal. Can you measure load transient and bode plot to confirm stability.

    Try to replace C13 with equivalent ceramic output capacitors.

    Regards,

    Ethan

  • Dear Ethan,

    Thank you very much for the response. Unfortunately I am unable to make the setup for Bode plot. Attaching the load transient for your reference at input voltage 35V. The output drop to ~7.2V when 2.5R load (~ 4.8A) is connected for 120ms. Below is the image shown:

    I didn't understand the suggestion to replace an electrolytic C13 with equivalent ceramic output capacitors. Meanwhile I will try this and update.

    Also on the capacitor connection to GND using a via. I agree that not much attention had been paid in this regard, but I see that the switching paths are taken care. I have tried connecting them directly to IC pin 6 by lifting up the cap (Cramp, Rt, Ccomp) and connecting to LM5088 IC pin 6 using a jumper wire but no improvements.

    Can the return path from Rsns resistor to IC thermal cause any problem and why?. I see in the layout recommendations, the controller is place aside and the I/O return path is not through the controller. Is it so significant.

    Kindly suggest if i could do other layout modification (in better way) to see some improvement and fix them in the next revision.

    Regards,

    Anand M

  • Hello Anand,

    To rule out any stability issue, we have calculator tool on Ti.com for verifying component selection and given loop response.

    Could you please fill out and get back to me with your findings? Please let me know if you run into any issues along the way.

    http://www.ti.com/tool/LM25088-5088QUICK-CALC

  • Dear Marshall Beck ,

    Thanks for the response. I have filled the sheet and corresponding values has been verified. I am attaching the sheet with calculated values and actual values used on the board.

    Kindly let me know if any more suggestion.

    3632.LM5088_Quick_Start.xls

    Regards,

    Anand M

  • Dear Marshall Beck ,

    Any suggestion based on the sheet shared. Let me know if any more information required.

    Regards,

    Anand M

  • Dear Marshall Beck,

    Kindly suggest based on the sheet shared. Let me know if any more information required.

    Regards,

    Anand M

  • HI 

    some suggestion maybe you can try

    1. change a small Qg mosfet,BUK9610-100B has large than 86nC Qg at Vgs=5V,Vin=80V with Id=25A, for 500K fsw, VCC need provide over 40mA(86nC*500k),LM5088 VCC current limit is less than 40mA.

    2. looks like you have damping at input, pls also double check Vin is stable at C4 .

    3 adjust C19=6.8nF or10nF,R14=16K,C16=150pF

    Thanks

  • Dear Daniel Li,

    Thanks for the response and suggestions. I will try these recommendation and revert with with the feedback.

    Regards,

    Anand M

  • Dear Daniel Li,

    I have tried the suggestion 1 and replaced with mosfet with low Qg ~11nC and started working for complete voltage range and tested up to 4A load current.

    I am planning to use New MOSFET SQJA94EP from Vishay. This looks to be with low Rdson and Low Qg ~ 35nC and Lower switching loss.

    Kindly verify and let me know if any suggestions on the mosfet.

    Regards,

    Anand M