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Best solution to charge 6V sealed lead acid from 9V MPP / 10.8V O.C solar panel

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: BQ24650, BQ24450, BQ2031

Hi there

I'm trying to figure out what the best solution for charging a 6V lead acid battery from a 9V peak power / 10.8V O.C circuit solar panel. On cloudy days, the 5W solar panel will put out anything from 20 - 60mA at 6V (tied to the battery). In the winter in some locations, these conditions will persist for weeks at a time, so making the most of the current all of the time rather than making the most when it is sunny is more important.

I started by looking through your complete charging range and idetifying two groups of charging products: UC and the BQ families. From what I can see, the BQ series are newer and supersede all of the UC series - there is nothing the UC series offers that the BQ doesn't. This left the parts:

BQ24650 - mentions specifically for solar applications

BQ24450

BQ2031

 

The BQ24650 can't be used because of the current required for it to operate in charging mode. It is listed as 'Adapter supply current' and says typically 25mA. This means on a cloudy day, lots of the energy will be eaten up by the chip. Am I misinterpreting this?

 

The BQ24450 looks promising. It is a basic shunt regulated design and I have a few questions:

1/ I assume it  would require a minimum input voltage of:the battery charging voltage + the diode drop + the transistor / FET drop + the sense resistor(s) drop. I'm planning on charging at no more than 0.8A (with 2 x 5W panels). What would you suggest to get this down to a minimum for this application? 

2/ apart from the typical 1.6mA current draw, are there any other hidden current requirements in the charging circuit? With the transistor driving current, how low could this be - what type should I use to minimise this?

3/ I presume that the maximum power dissipation will only need to be calculated during the charge - once the charge has finished, very little power will be dissipated.

4/ Can you confirm that when the solar panel stops giving enough energy to run the circuit, with the blocking diode in place, will any significant power will be drawn from the battery apart from through the resistor Ra? Additionally, are there likely to be any negative side effects of having this non-continuous input?

5/ Lastly, can you think of any other reason why the BQ24450 would not be suitable for this application?

 

The BQ2031 also looks like it may be a solution. I have read the application note for MPPT with the bq2031 - http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slva378/slva378.pdf  

1/ Apart form the 2mA current draw + transistor drive current, are there any other hidden power requirements from the charging circuit (without MPPT adjustment). 

2/ What kind of efficiencies should I expect in my application?

 

Which of these would you suggest? What other alternatives are there?

I don't expect using a switching design vs a shunt design to give a large advantage - Assuming full sunlight, a shunt system this utilises approximately 68% of the energy (vs MPP) from the panel charging directly (running at 6V would mean 0.275V / cell vs MPP of 0.42V / cell, so reading off approximately from the chart in this datasheet http://focus.ti.com/lit/an/slva378/slva378.pdf  and comparing 0.42 x 0.036 = 0.0152 vs 0.275 x 0.038 = 0.0104       per cell). Switching designs would have to exceed this efficiency figure across the range, especially at the low end.

I am open to other solutions to this problem and any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Oli

Edit: I came across this question http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/battery_management/w/design_notes/bq24450-as-a-charge-controller-with-mosfet-regarding.aspx I'm guessing using a P FET would help reduce the loss across Q. Can you confirm and provide a bit more detail?
  • comments for bq24650

    the 25mA you mentioned is when the IC is switching. At the cloudy condition, the VCC drops and IC enter the sleep mode. No switching and no consumption. of course, it  you need small current 20-60mA charge at cloudy condition. This switching mode charge IC is not suitable. This IC is designed for much higher charge current, eg. several Amps.

  • if you want very small charge current (20-60mA) at cloudy condition. The bq2031 is not suitable too cos it's switching mode charger.

  • Hi Bin

    I already mentioned that the BQ24650 was not suitable

    The BQ2031 draws approximately 2mA and although we would lose some efficiency through conversion (perhaps 20 - 30%), we would gain some by MPPT as per the application note. Can you explain why you say it is not suitable?

    Regarding the BQ24550 design - to minimise losses, could you please comment on the following choices?

    - the FDD4243 PFET from fairchild for the main switching transistor ( http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/FD/FDD4243.pdf )

    - the LTC4412 from linear as an 'ideal diode' (really a mosfet) to prevent battery discharge. ( http://cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/4412fa.pdf )

     which means with a sense resistor of 0.5R, and 0.05R + 0.05R approx for the two FET's , the total, charging at 1A would mean only a 0.6V drop. 

  • I have since prototyped the evaluation board based on the BQ24450, found here http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/sluu464/sluu464.pdf

    It appears to test well for our application using a P type FET and there is only one remaining outstanding issue.

    If the current supplied is more than the current limit, the circuit uses the predicted < 2mA + the current drawn by R5 (we are using a 10K pull up). If however we limit the supply current to less than what the circuit current limit is, the power consumption increases to 6mA + the current drawn by R5.

    Can somebody speculate as to what is causing this?

    Thanks

    Oliver