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BQ24172: NiMH chargining termination?

Part Number: BQ24172

As a follow-up to thread https://e2e.ti.com/support/power-management/f/196/t/883392, should we keep the TTC signal enabled when charging NiMH cells with BQ24172?

At 1A charge current for 2200mAH cells (< 0.5C), we will have a constant 100mA trickle if we disable termination, and this seems high.

What other recommended strategies are there for terminating charge while ensuring close to full capacity of the NiMH cells, using BQ24172?

  • Hi Jackson,

    I do not understand the 100mA trickle current that you are seeing.  When charging NIMH at <0.5C, the charger's safety timer is used to terminate the NiMH battery before the battery voltage reaches VBATREG as set per the external resistors.  Therefore you have to set VBATREG just above the voltage that you expect the NiMH batteries to charge to before the timer expires.  In other words, the constant voltage portion of the charge cycle is really battery OVP.  Are your batteries reaching that voltage before the timer expires?  With TTC capacitor installed, termination is not disabled.

    There is no other method to terminate charge for NiMH using the BQ24172.

    Regards,

    Jeff

  • Jeff:

    Thanks for your reply. 

    We have modified our FB pin voltage divider to terminate charge at about 1.45V/cell, and we have enabled the TTC capacitor (0.1uF).  With these settings we are getting successful charges of or NiMH packs (90% capacity in about 4 hours -- we will probably adjust TTC cap to a shorter time period).

    A related question, on re-starting the charge cycle, to try to maintain a fully-charged battery:

    If we discharge our NiMH battery pack to below V_RECHG (on BQ24172, this should be 2.05V, if we read the data sheet correctly) we still do not see the charge cycle begin again.  Instead, we are seeing about 0.5Hz on STAT pin, and we cannot figure out what fault condition is present.

    We would expect, given our resistor divider on FB pin (1M/313K) to have charging restart at about 8.6V, but we are not seeing a re-start even at 7.5V.

    As a matter of fact, it is really not clear what has been triggering a re-start unless we have a fully discharged battery pack (about 6V).

    Toggling ISET to below 40mV and back above 120mV does not seem to reset the fault condition and initiate charging.

    --Jackson

  • Hi Jackson,

    So are you terminating based on the battery voltage (FB pin) or TTC capacitor?   If capacitor, the fault is likely that the timer has expired and you should be able to use d/s section 9.3.21 Timer Fault Recovery to recover. You are correct that RCHG should be (1+1M/313k)*(2.1V-50mV) = 8.6V. But if toggling ISET isn't working, I will have to test on the bench.  If you pull TTC to GND or VREF, does that restart charge?

    Regards,
    Jeff

  • Hi Jackson,

    I tested a BQ24172EVM and see that both dropping the voltage at FB to 2.1V - (35mV to 65mV) or pulling ISET low restarts charge after safety timer exit.  Toggling TTC does not restart charge. To debug further, I will need to see some oscilloscope shots of STAT, SRN, FB and the battery charge current if you have a current probe.

    Regards,

    Jeff

  • Jeff:

    We plan to terminate on battery voltage (about 8.8V).  We would also enable TTC for about 4 hours, as a backup.  It takes about 3.5 hours to terminate our 2200mAh battery @ 8.8V, with 1A starting current.

    Additionally we will have the thermistor from the NiMH pack as a safety backup.

    I think that the fault I was seeing may be the result of a damaged BQ24172.  I could not detect a battery to start charging at all, but I did swap out the PCB with another one and it begiins charging correctly.  I'll keep an eye on this, but I think it was a false alarm.  Thanks for the additional testing and confirmation.

    Are there risks to the the BQ part if we try to start charging while there is still a load on the battery?  If there is a power outage, there may be active loads, until the MCU detects loss of mains power and shuts off power to all external loads.

    Thanks,

    Jackson

  • Jackson,

    The charger will not be damaged from a second resistive load in parallel with the battery but the load will consume some of the battery charge current, leading to longer charge time and if the load is higher than the termination current, the charger will never report charge termination.

    Regards,

    Jeff