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LM2593HV: LM2593HV-ADJ FB input protection

Part Number: LM2593HV

Hi,

I'm using the LM2593HVS-ADJ in a ~50Vin, ~12.7Vout application.

FB via 15k/1.6k resistor divider and a 3.3nF Cff cap across the top 15k resistor. As recommended in the data sheet I use a low leakage Schottky diode to protect the FB input in case of an output short circuit with Vin>40V.

My problem is that in some cases the Schottky has high leakage, causing the output voltage to rise..

My questions are:

1) Is it very risky to leave out the Shottky diode across the 1.6k bottom resistor?

2) Can you explain why the problem is related to Vin>40V?

3) Is it possible to protect the FB input with a series current limiting resistor instead of the Schottky diode?

Unfortunately I do not have the option of changing the LM2593 to a more recent type..

BR,

Lars Jespersen

  • Hello

    The protection diode is used to clamp the FB voltage to a small negative value, if the output is shorted.

    When using a CFF capacitor the voltage on the FB pin will spike negative when the output is shorted; the diode 

    helps to clamp this voltage.  However, it does not depend on the input voltage; it depends on the output voltage.

    I believe that is a misprint in the data sheet.  I don't think you need the diode for an output voltage of 12.7V.

    If you wish to use a clamp, the BC junction of an NPN transistor will have much less leakage than a Schottky diode.

    You can place a resistor in series with the CFF cap to limit the current.  However, this will affect the compensation of the loop.

    You could also place a resistor in series with the FB pin.  However, if the value is too large, this will also affect the loop stability.

    Thanks

  • Hi Frank,

    Thank you for the fast response.

    I understand the problem with the negative spike caused by the CFF cap during an output short circuit. I just wondered how it could possibly be related to the input voltage - it makes sense that the problem is related to Vo instead of Vin!

    Do you think that I'll need to make short circuit tests to remove the diode - how certain are you :) ?

    Will you (TI) possibly make a revision of the datasheet?

    BR,

    Lars Jespersen

  • Hello

    I will add this typo error to our list of data sheet fixes.

    Yes, it is always good to do a quick test to be sure, since this device is very old

    and the original team that worked on it is no longer available.

    Thanks

  • Hi Frank,

    Thanks! I'll do some testing.

    /Lars

  • It looks like when I answered the original E2E I was too quick to assume

    that the data sheet contained an error in the wording.

     

    In any application where the Cff is charged to a voltage greater than

    a silicon diode drop there is the potential for causing an issue.

     

    When the output is shorted, Cff will discharge into the ESD diode

    connected to the FB pin.  When this occurs, a parasitic structure will

    turn on and possibly cause incorrect behavior and/or damage.

     

    The effects of this event will depend on the particular device, the nature of the parasitic, and the

    silicon  process.

    It will also depend on the size of Cff; since a larger capacitor will cause

    more energy to be dumped into the parasitic structure.

     

    Typically, when a parasitic transistor turns on, it will cause current to flow from the

    input supply of the device and/or cause substrate current flow.  Larger input voltages

    will create large power dissipation, in conjunction with this flow of parasitic current, thus

    aggravating the issue.

     

    For the LM259x family, with input voltages above 40V, this parasitic turn-on

    will damage the device.

     

    Therefore, the data sheet wording is correct.

    Thank you

  • Hmm... I've already removed the diodes from the PCBA's... :-(
    So I hope the risk of damage is small..

  • Hello

    There is only a statistical risk if your application encounters a hard short on the output.

    In that case, the cause and cure of the damage would be known.

    Thanks