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UCC28780: ucc28780- REPEATED SHORT ON PINS

Part Number: UCC28780

Ulrich:

We had 2 controllers on 2 prtotos fail- on one NTC pin went to 27 Ohm to GND pad.

On proto1, the controller that we hoped to fly off with - had NTC pin and REF go low impedance.

On proto3, the controller that we hoped to fly off with - had NTC pin go low(30) Ohm

Of the total  3 or 4 chip failures, NTC shows up 3 times. REF twice.

I think we can hypothesize that putting 1 uF on REF perhaps causes REF pin drive too much current...but how is that possible?...but assume it is possible.

We find .1uF won't get REF top correct level, but min .22uF will.

Assume we use that now on.

NTC?

There is nothing on this pin. We even disconnected the Opto form this ; we only have 30.5k or so from pin 9 to GND.

And on startup, this pin is not even active except perhaps a short( low impedance).

We have ruled out ESD,. soldering temp, overheating etc..

@ possibilities: somehwo NTS does not work well with resistor?...sounds strange.

#2 is REF on changing level, drives higher current through NTS current source?...also sounds improbable.

In any event, took up all our time to dif into the root cause. 

Yet, we did apply VBULK to 200V...RUN happened, some PWMLs ...but did not go into a steady state....we are considering if VBULK somehow couples to NTC?...

SOMETHING is still not right.

Any guesses from you will be highly appreciated.

robin

  • Hello Robin,

    These failures that you are experiencing are definitely not normal.  And since they recur so often, there is something systematic causing it.
    The size of the capacitor on REF is not a cause. The resistance on NTC is not a cause.
    I've seen your schematic and the connections and component values by themselves would not cause such damaging failures. 

    I have to suspect the pcb as a common denominator to these problems.
    At one point, you had discovered an inner-layer high-voltage track passing too close to a via in a low-voltage net causing a failure.
    I suspect that there are more issues like this in the pcb.  I recommend that you scrutinize each layer for such possibilities, especially around the nets involving REF and NTC. I recommend this not only on the display screen, but also on an actual pcb.  I am concerned that the artwork file may not show an issue whereas the actual board may be constructed with one or more mis-aligned layers. 

    There is something wrong for sure that is eluding detection, and I don't see it on paper (the schematic). I have to conclude it is on the board.
    Please concentrate on the layout file and the board it self.

    Regards,
    Ulrich

     

  • Thanks for the review. That via seemed not the real culprit: but THERE HAS to be somethin in the pcb.

    We are digging.

    Hope to report the true culprit asap.

    It will help all users.

    -robin