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LM27762: Output Positive Rail is fine while negative is not.

Part Number: LM27762
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS563209

Hi

I'm Gunwoo Ha and I’m working at the VPIX Medical in South Korea.

Our company makes medical equipment and I’m involved in making an embedded system in the medical equipment using your IC, LM27762.

These days, I’m doing trouble shooting our analog system and I have few questions on using LM27762.

Let me describe about the details first.

First of all, we want to get output voltage of +5V and -5V with input voltage of 5.5V. So, we designed schematics as below(Fig. 1).

Fig.1 Schematics_New

 


However, the output voltages are +4.6V and -2.6V (or +0.6V) respectively whenever there is load or not.


I already used same schematics for our previous system as below (Fig. 2) and it worked well.



Fig.2 Schematics_Old


 


The differences between Old and New one are these;


  1. Input capacitor value - old:4.7uF x 2, new: 47uF

  2. Output capacitor value - old: 2.2uF x 2, new: 47uF, although we’ve changed this same as old one, it still doesn’t work

  3. Driving circuit – old:LT3086(Analog Devices), new: TPS563209(TI)

  4. # of driven circuit – old: 1(AD8138, Analog Devices), new: 2(Same)

  5. Foot print size – slightly smaller than before


   


Fig. 3 Driving circuit; Old:LT3086


 



Fig 4. Driving Circuit; New: TPS563209


 



Fig. 5. Foot print


 


When it is not working well, we checked transient waveform of output and input of LM27762 as below (Fig. 5). Here, transient means that when we apply enable signal to driving circuit.



Fig. 6. Transient waveform of LM27762, input(Red) and negative output(yellow)


 


As you can see from fig.6, the input fluctuates when the negative output fluctuates.


 


This abnormality is not always happening, but it shows frequently. That’s why we are not able to figure out what the clear cause is.


 


Do you have any idea about this problem?


 


Although you may be busy, could you please reply as soon as possible?

 


Best regards,


Gunwoo Ha (Research Engineer)


VPIX Medical, Inc


  • Hi Gunwoo,

    From the new schematic, I see that you have used a very high input and output capacitance compared to the old schematic. As per the operation principle of charge pumps, the energy stored in the input capacitor is transferred to output capacitor through Cfly. In this design, Cfly is too small compared to the others. Hence the energy transfer will not be correct. If you change any one external capacitor, the others should be modified accordingly. I suggest to keep a lower Cin & Cout as per d/s recommendations.

    Also, there are several threads similar to this topic and I think it would be a good read for you. 

    Please let me know if you cannot solve your problem and I can help further.

    Regards,

    Febin

  • The new board has longer and thinner traces. The layout guidelines in section 10 of the datasheet are important.

    The fluctuating input might indicate that the power supply can not supply enough current. Maybe the board around the TPS563209 has similar layout problems.