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TPS560430: Circuit behaves as if there is short but nothing burnt

Part Number: TPS560430
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: MSP430FR2433,

Hello 

I am designing a board that has an LCD and msp430fr2433. They both need 5v and 3.3v respectively. So I decided to use TPS560430X3FDBVR and TLV70033DSET to provide 5v and 3.3v. I have attached the schematic and traced the path with a yellow highlighter. I hope this makes it easy to follow. 

I followed the circuit recommended by the datasheets of the regulators except for Cboot which is 1uF on the board. Is anything wrong with my schematic? 

Problem: I connected the board to a 12V DC power supply. It's pulling 3A. Seems like there is a short but nothing is burning. Not sure why there is a 3A draw when the 5V regulator output current is 0.6A max.

I don't find any short but the 3.3V regulator and micro pads are underneath the component. I can't see if there's a short. 


Analysis: If there is nothing wrong with my schematic, I plan on concluding that there is a short. I just want to get a second opinion about the schematic. 



 

  • Hello,

    Your IC may be damaged after enduring such a  large current draw, if possible can you try replacing the Cboot from 1uF to 0.1uF as per the datasheet recommendation and retest using a brand new IC. If this does not result in a change in operation, then there may be a short somewhere that you can't see.

    Other than the Cboot, I do not see anything wrong with your schematic.

    I can also review your layout if you'd like as well.

    Regards,

    Harrison Overturf

  • Hello Harrison,

    I found the problem over the weekend. I brought the wrong component. I brought TPS560430X3FDBVR which apparently is a 3.3V fixed regulator version. Because of the feedback resistor, it gave out higher than 5V which might have blown the components after the regulator which resulted in a short.

    I need to buy TPS560430XFDBVR‎ which is an adjustable one. The circuit around it will adjust the output to 5V. This one will work for my circuit. 

    Please let me know if you agree with me? I would use a second opinion. Here is the picture which proves my theory: 

  • Hello, 

    Yes, using the fixed 3.3V version of the IC instead of the adjustable version would cause the output voltage to try to go above 16V. The FB voltage of the fixed version is 3.3V instead of 1.0V for the adjustable.

    I would replace the TPS560430 and the TLV70033 device and check any other circuit tied to the 5V rail as the high voltage may have damaged anything tied to that rail.

    Regards, Jason

  • Hello 

    Thank you for confirming my theory. I accidentally ordered the wrong part for this. I placed an order for the right part today. 

    I have another board. I'll try it on a brand new board with all the brand new components sometime next week and get back to you. 

    Thank you again. 

    Varun R

  • Hello

    So I brought the correct component and soldered on a brand new board. The same thing happened. Now sure why? There's literally nothing connected after the output capacitor of the regulator. It's impossible to have a short. Seems like there is a design flaw that I can't see. Can anybody see what I can't see?

  • Hi Varun,

    Can you determine if it is VR5 or VR3 that is shorted? Are they both populated? Is anything else populated that is connected to 12V? 

    Can you try removing VR3 and see if the short goes away?

    I notice from your schematic that you have several PWR_FLAG symbols. What do these connect to?

    Regards, Jason

  • Hello 

    VR3(3.3V linear regulator) is not populated. Only VR5 (Switching regulator 5V) and its components to get 5V are populated. It's impossible to have a short as it's not connected to anything. 

    Power flags are representing whats the voltage at the point and going forward. The only source of power is the 12V which will be reduced to 5V and 3.3V subsequently. Currently, I've connected the board to a 5V (DC power supply) and limited the current to 1A. The power supply is giving out 1.3V only. It increases slightly when I increase the current limit to 2A but there is smoking coming out. This leads me to believe that there is a short for sure. Something is wrong with my circuit. I'm even thinking of going back to a 5V linear regulator. I used them before and dint have a problem. This is my first experience with a switching regulator.  

    Please look at the attached image. The components inside the yellow highlighter are populated on the board. Nothing else. 

  • Hi Varun,

    It sounds like the board itself may have an issue.

    Is it possible that the PWR_FLAG nodes may be shorted together?

    Have you tried removing VR5 and applying power? Is there any current draw?

    Regards, Jason

  • Hello 

    I'm not sure if the power flags are causing an issue. It never happened before though. On one of my other boards, I had 24V, 12V, and 5V. No power flag short. The only difference is, they all were linear voltage regulators. 

    I removed the VR5 and the DC power supply is not drawing any current. So it's an open circuit. No short till VR5 (not much there anyway). 

    After VR5, there is a short because that's when the problems arise. but I didn't connect anything after VR5 except the components recommended by the datasheet of VR5 for 5 V output. 

    So you think I should just ditch this board and make a new one with 2 linear voltage regulators? 

    Varun R

  • Varun,

    If there is a short on your board, switching to linear regulators will still have an issue.

    Have you tried checking for shorts using a DVM? You can do a ohm check from 12V test point to other points on the board near. 

    If you want to discuss ideas offline, you can contact me directly at jarrigo@ti.com.

    Regards, Jason

  • I just sent you an email. 

    Varun R

  • Yes, let's discuss offline. I will close this post for now. 

    Thanks, Jason