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TMCS1101: Output offset error

Part Number: TMCS1101
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: AMC1300, DRV425

Dear team, 

My customer would like to consider to use TMCS1101A4B/U: 400 mV/A for AC current sensing application. 

Their target resolution is 50mA. I think TMCS1101 would meet their target If ADC resolution is enough. But my concern is offset error of TMCS1101A4B/U 

At datasheet, the max offset voltage of TMCS1101A4B/U is 28mV, 

If the customer use TMCS1101A4B/U : 400 mV/A, the output voltage corresponding to 50mA is 20mV. Is it right? 

The offset error is likely to cause output error. Please let me know your opinion on this concern. 

Please let me know if TMCS1101 is not right device. If TMCS1101 is not right device for customer application, please recommend right solution. 

Thank you. 

  • Dino,

    How low in current does the customer truly need to measure here? Given that they are looking at the A4 variant, I would assume that the current range they are looking to measure is either very small in scope, or small in magnitude, and they are hoping to amplify the output signal. Here's my take on each of these:

    Small in Magnitude: Hall effect sensors are known to be inherently noisy, and the TMCS family isn't an exception. More importantly than the offset voltage, if you examine the noise density of thA4 variant, you can calculate that at full bandwidth, the device will exhibit noise characteristics of 25.4mArms, and 168mApp (6.6x for a 99.9% distribution). This can be improved by reducing the device BW, but it is something the customer should consider in their evaluation. If they are in fact trying to implement these devices to measure small magnitudes of current at high resolution, they may face challenges here, due to not only the above issues, but the offset as you mention in your initial post. If this is the case, however, can you share what is drawing the customer to the Hall-Effect devices rather than a traditional shunt here? Do they require isolation here?

    Small in scope: Provided the customer isn't actually attempting to measure in the mA level, and simply wants mA resolution at a smaller range of higher amperage, these devices should be fine, and this challenge will ultimately fall to the ADC that they choose and how the analog measurement is quantized into their digital environment. They would need to ensure that their ADC choice uses an ENOB large enough to meet their desired resolution, and that the interfacing buffer (or lack thereof) is sufficient to drive the ADC to within 1/2 LSB in the designed acquisition time. 

    The customer may wish to read through our app note on best practices for these devices as well. 

  • Hello Carolus, 

    Thank you for your kind explanation. 

    The customer application is AC/DC power supply of Air purifier like below. 

    - AC 110/220V, 50/60Hz

    - output power : 60W 

    - Isolation is needed(mandatory)   

    As your comment, TMCS series doesn't seem to be a suitable solution for customer application due to Small in Magnitude. 

    Could you recommend right solution(INA series or others) and application note to apply AC line current sensing or DC link line (over 300V) current sensing for customer application? 

    Thank you. 

  • Hello Carolus, 

    I am sorry to push you but please let me know your opinion regarding right solution(INA series or others) and application note to apply AC line current sensing or DC link line (over 300V) current sensing for customer application. please refer to the above customer application. 

    Thank you. 

  • Dino,

    Apologies for the delay here. There is a challenge here in that the customer requires isolation, but the noise of a Hall sensor is unacceptable. The bipolar nature of the common mode is also going to cause issues, as current shunt amplifiers are typically only defined for common mode utility in one direction (for example, they are -4V to 120V, but not -120 to 120, which is what would be needed for AC). If the customer cannot use a Hall sensor, the only other devices with isolation that I could recommend here would be for them to look at fluxgate, which is DRV425, or they could look at our isolated amplifiers like AMC1300. Again, I do not know if this device can handle the AC common mode, but it does have built in isolation.