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IWR1443BOOST: What is the minimum object size it can detect?

Part Number: IWR1443BOOST
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Hi,

We have an IWR1443BOOST mm-wave radar sensor for object detection.

We want to know the minimum object size (placed within a distance of 2m) that this radar sensor can detect?

Moreover, we want to know how to calculate the minimum object size to be detected for this kind of radar system.

Thanking you 

Amit

  • Hi Amit,

    The short answer is (somewhat frustratingly) it depends.

    There are a few important concepts here. The first is radar cross section (RCS). A radar cross section is a function of an object's surface area and reflectivity. Metals and water (which includes living things as we're mostly made of water) have high reflectivity, so they generate a relatively large RCS. Some plastics, dry wood, drywall and other materials are less reflective, so even at small distances, the radar will have trouble picking them up.

    Additionally, this will also depend on the scene of detection. we use an algorithm called CFAR to detect objects. It detects objects based off the difference in the reflections between adjacent areas. Basically, if you suspend an object in the air, it will be much easier to detect at 2m than if you place it on the ground and surround it with other objects.

    As for if your objects can be detected in your scene, you may have to just measure and see, depending on the object and the scene. We did something similar with detecting coins at short distances in this experiment. Perhaps you can use the techniques it describes as a starting point.

    https://dev.ti.com/tirex/explore/node?node=AJWaDzkjXCZGhvD9P6WzBg__VLyFKFf__LATEST

    Best,

    Nate

  • Hi Nate,

    Thank you very much for your kind reply.

    Basically, we are trying to detect the small movement of the pests on the leaves or branches of agricultural plants from a distance of 1-2 mm. The pest sizes are ranging from 0.5-2 mm.

    In this context, we are trying to investigate whether IWR1443BOOST is suitable to do this job or not?

    If yes, what kinds of changes we should make in the configuration file or others?

    If not, is there any other radar of TI that is able to do the job easily?

    We expect your expert guidance and suggestions for solving this problem.

    Thank you

    Best regards

    Amit

  • Hi Amit,

    This may be possible. It really depends on whether the leaves are radar transparent. The pests will more than likely be reflective, but the leaves may be reflective too if they get wet. I would expect living, wet wood from the trees to be reflective too, so it may be hard to determine if you can find a quantitative difference between the radar returns of an empty leaf and a leaf with a pest. You'll really want to order an evaluation module and find out.

    Best,

    Nate

  • Hi Nathan,

    Thank you for your valuable comments and suggestions.

    Kindly note that we are doing experiments with small ants and moths (bigger than ants) using the demo visualizer with the IWR1443 sensor.

    We kept the ants and moth in two separate plastic tubes and one by one we checked. The samples were placed 0.2-0.4 mm from the sensor.

    We have observed that the sensor cannot detect the movement of the ants, but it can detect the movement of the moth.

    From this experiment, it seems that IWR1443 is not capable of detecting small ant movements as well as pests.

    Therefore, should we go for a higher frequency (>100GHZ) and a lower wave length (<0.1 mm) sensor for detecting pest movement?

    Can you please suggest any such sensor we should buy for our pest detection?

    We appreciate highly your benign help and cooperation.

    Thanks and regards

    Amit

  • Hi Amit,

    I don't know of any commercial radar products that go above 77 GHz. I don't know of a sensor that will assist you here, but I wish you good luck in your project!

    Best,

    Nate

  • Hi Nathan,

    Thank you very much for your kind assistance and help.

    Best regards

    Amit