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TMAG5273EVM: magnetic sensor Range / sensitivity

Part Number: TMAG5273EVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TMAG5170, TMAG5273, LDC1614
Hi Team Ti,
Greetings of the day !
 
We are leading manufacturer of process automation equipment in India, we provide Hotel Automation Solutions.

We wish to detect presence of vehicle in the allotted parking space in order to turn on welcome scene in the guest-room.
We feel duel technology (Magnetic and Radar) is needed to detect vehicle. These sensors will be interfaced with the host controller over I2C / SPI.

The device we are designing has to operate in outdoor condition as well as in closed premises. In open area we have to fix sensing device on road surface or buried in center of parking slot. Where as in closed premises we have to fix it over head. As per typical car parking application it seems that it will easily sense the change in magnetic field. I have doubt regarding in case of ceiling mounting whether it will detect the change in magnetic field when ever vehicle is parked or moved away.
Please guide us to select proper magnetic sensor to detect vehicle's presence for both cases as explained above.
Thanking you ,
Regards,
Madhav  M. Lohar
Gladiance Automation (India) Pvt. Ltd.
  • Madhav,

    Thank you for reaching out with this design question.  Our devices which currently operate over SPI are TMAG5273 and TMAG5170.  These devices have three integrated sensors capable of detecting the field component in each X,Y,and Z axis.  Typical position sensing with these devices uses a permanent magnet to provide the input magnetic field.  The magnetic field diminishes quickly as range to the magnet increases.  This typically requires that the sensor is placed near the path of the moving magnet.  If the presence of the vehicle is able to influence the magnetic field of a stationary magnet (due to ferromagnetic materials such as steel), then it might be possible to detect the presence of a vehicle, but at large ranges, this would be very difficult.

    Thanks,

    Scott

  • Hi Scott,

    Greetings of the day !

    Thank you very much for your quick reply.

    Can you please clarify how much distance is recommended for sensing vehicle (Ferromagnetic material) with TMAG5273 and TMAG5170.

    Also is there any method to increase this range.

    Or do you wish to suggest any other TI's sensor for such application.

    Best regards,

    Madhav M. Lohar

    Gladiance Automation (India) Pvt. Ltd.

  • Madhav,

    The vehicle by itself would not be detectable.  The sensor would require some magnetic field, which the vehicle would then interfere with.  We have a calculator tool which might help you understand and estimate the field from a permanent magnet available here:

    https://www.ti.com/lit/zip/slyr071

    As an example, if using a 12mm cube of strong Neodymium (grade 52), the field at 300 mm is only about 14 uT.  However at a close range of 5 mm the field is about 216 mT.  If the sensor were placed some distance from the magnet where the output of the sensor is not saturated and opposite from where the vehicle is, it might be possible to detect changes, but this is entirely dependent on how much the vehicle interacts with the magnetic field.  As the vehicle approaches, the field would be drawn away from the sensor, and you should experience a shift in magnitude.  This would require more direct testing to verify how practical a solution this might be.  I would recommend acquiring a reasonable magnet for your application and the TMAG5170UEVM or TMAG5273EVM to evaluate the range for various sizes and ranges of ferrous material.

    Thanks,

    Scott

  • Hi Scott,

    Greetings of the day !

    Thank you once again for your quick support.

    Please correct if I might be wrong, from above clarification I understand that we have to have a strong magnet placed near the sensor. TMAG5273 will sense the change in magnetic flux due to interference of ferromagnetic material (Vehicle). I wish to update you that such arrangement is not possible in our case.

    I was under impression that we can measure deflection in earth's magnetic field due to presence / absence of vehicle (Metal body). Refer following URL for  just the reference where it is explained how earth's magnetic field get deflected due to ferromagnetic material (vehicle) and this changed is measured to identify presence of vehicle.

    URL: https://www.nxp.com/company/blog/howto-detect-vehicle-presence-or-movements-with-magnetometers:BL-HOW-DETECT-VEHICLE-PRESENCE-MAGNOMETERS

    Please confirm will it possible to detect deflection in earth's magnetic field with the help of TMAG5273 ?

    If it is not possible please suggest the correct sensor for sensing deflection in earth's magnetic field.

    Best regards,

    Madhav M. Lohar

    Gladiance Automation (India) Pvt. Ltd.

  • Madhav,

    Our magnetic sensors are currently all Hall-effect based devices which typically do require some magnetic field source, but the earth's magnetic field is generally too weak. A typical value for what you might measure is 30 uT, which is just above the input referred noise of some of our more sensitive Hall-effect devices.  With TMAG5170 at the highest averaging setting, for example, I am able to see some change on the output when I swipe a steel object past the sensor at close range.  I do not know how much deflection to expect from an object like a car at a different range.  

    Thanks,

    Scott

  • Hi Scott,

    Thank you for the information.

    It means TMAG5170 can not be used to sense earth's magnetic field.

    Mean time I came across one of the module "RAK12029" from RAK which is having Texas Instruments Inductive Sensor LDC1614. it's URL is as shared below. Will it be useful to detect vehicle's presence ?

    URL: https://store.rakwireless.com/products/rak12029-wisblock-inductive-sensor.

    Or do you wish to suggest any Texas Instrument's sensor / IC for our application. As we are more comfortable with Texas Instrument's components as they are very reliable.

    Please suggest suitable sensor.

    Best regards,

    Madhav M. Lohar

    Gladiance Automation (India) Pvt. Ltd.

  • Madhav,

    Inductive sensing is able to detect the proximity of conductive materials, but range is limited similar to the Hall-effect sensors.  For longer range sensing as a backup to mmWave sensing, you could consider using Ultrasound.  This would work from either above or below and would be able to provide information when an object enters the target area.

    https://www.ti.com/sensors/specialty-sensors/ultrasonic/overview.html?DCMP=ultrasonicsensing&HQS=sva-psp-isc-ultrasonicsensing-vanity-lp-ultrasonic-en

    https://e2e.ti.com/support/sensors-group/sensors/f/sensors-forum/748143/faq-ultrasonic-sensors

    Thanks,

    Scott

  • Hi Scott,

    Greetings of the day !

    Thank you for your valuable support. This helps us to select correct sensor IC.

    I will check the details of ultrasonic sensor and if required I look forward to get support from team Texas Instruments.

    Thank you very much and have a great days ahead.

    Best Regards,

    Madhav.