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what is the suggested diagram ratio between target and PCB coil



Hi guys,

I now have a need to mesure the axial distance between the target and the sensor, and the maximum distance is about 2mm, meanwhile, I want to have a resolution as good as 0.1um.

I opened the webench and had some possible solutions, but none of them are good enough for me, for because of the space limit, the diagram of the PCB coil has to be less than or equal to 7mm, also, the target size has to be less than 7mm*7mm. But the webench gives a miminum diagram of the PCB coil of about 8mm using 4-layer PCB. 

The fact is that we can use PCB coil of with more layers such as 6 layers to shrink the diagram and also maintain coil inductance.

1. Can webench be used to help design a 6-layer PCB coil?

I noticed that when using the Webench tool to generate a LDC1000 design, the solutions are the diagram of the target is comparable to the diagram of the PCB coil, or the diagram of the PCB coil is bigger.  But in our use case, we would like to have a bigger target and a small coil(because the whole parts have to be place in a 10mm diagram metal tube, and the PCB coil would be affected too much if the ratio of the coil diagram and the distance(between the coil and tube) is too small), such as a 7mm*7mm target with a 3mm in diagram PCB coil.

so we would like to know,

2. Can LDC1000 work using a PCB coil smaller than the target and still have a good resolution and linearity as good as the normal situation?

3. what is the suggested ratio of the coil diagram and the distance(between the coil and covering tube) if we want the affects of the metal cover is minimized? 

Thank you very much!

  • Hello,

    Just to make sure we are on the same page - do you mean by "diagram" a coil diameter, or something else?

    1. Webench is limited to 4-layer coil design at the moment, I'm sorry to say. More layers coils will achieve higher resolution. How many layers can you go up to? Is the wound inductor an option?

    2. Yes. The targets are shown to be the same or smaller diameter because further increase of the target diameter does not buy more resolution.

    3. The covering tube has to be at least twice of the coil diameter.

  • Hello Evgeny,

    By "diagram" I mean diameter indeed, those are typos...

    Thank you for your reply.

    1. Glad to know that more layers coils will achieve higher resolution, if we use PCB coil, we can make it 8 layers maximum I suppose. And wound inductor is a good option, we are thinking about hollow wound inductors too, but we don't know how to get assisted to design one.

    2. if increasing targerts diameter does not buy more resolotion, so when we use a wound inductor (4mm diameter) to sense a distance 2mm max, dose that means we can use a a target as small as 4mm*4mm ?

     

  • 1. I would suggest you take a look at www.bourns.com/ProductLine.aspx?name=power_ind_smd_non_shielded We've used them with great success.

    2. Yes, 4x4mm will be sufficient, 5x5 will give you slightly more resolution though. Generally, the closer you get to the coil, the better resolution is, at half-coil diameter away there is no guarantee that you will get required 0.1um. I lack sim data for such small coils, but for 1cm dia coil at 2mm one could expect resolution of 0.2-0.3um. What is your required data rate? If time-domain averaging is possible, then 0.1um will be feasible.

  • Hello Evgeny,

    one more question, the url you suggested is a page of inductors with ferrite core. should we use coreless inductors to relace the pcb coil as a sensor, I thoungt that a coreless inductor would be the replacement for pcb coil. Or are you suggusting that we connect this inductor to our pcb coil in series?

  • Hi Nestor,

    Core or no core, it can be a replacement to the pcb coil.  The ferrite core is there to provide a larger inductance for a smaller space requirement in the case where the addition of pcb coil layers maximized to your space cannot provide a sufficiently large L value needed for minimum Rp.

    It is possible to connect inductors in series for designing within the required Rp range but the tradeoff is sensitivity (less resolution).

    Thanks