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LMT70: thermal information

Part Number: LMT70
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TMP103, LMT01, TMP108, TMP112

We are considering using the LMT70 to temperature calibrate a second sensor, a pressure sensor, that is extremely temperature sensitive.  So we do not need accuracy in the LMT70 but we do need extreme temperature stability.  That is, when we calibrate the system at, say 20.302 deg C and the sensor outputs x mV, we want to make sure that in use, when the sensor gets to that same temperature it outputs the exact same x mV.  This also means that we need the best and most stable heat transfer environment.

So, the questions:

Do you have any stability with time data on the LMT70?  Are there any other parameters that might affect stability?  We will be using a precision voltage reference to power the LMT70.

We noticed that the datasheet says that the thermal impedance through the top of the device is much better than through the connections on the bottom.  Do you recommend heat sinking to the top?

There is no data on heat transfer through the sides.  Is that an even better option?  Such as mounting the sensor in a copper block that contacts the sides and the top?

Is the LMT70 the best product for this application?

Regards,

Felix Schuda

408-741-8752 

  • Felix,

    What are your operating temperature range, operating supply range, accuracy requirements. How many parts do you plan on calibrating in production if you go with analog sensors? Calibrating each device seems to be expensive for production scaling. I would recommend looking at digital output sensors since the system accuracy is guaranteed (e.g. TMP112, TMP108, TMP103, LMT01, these have ~1 sec thermal time constant and are available in a variety of packages).

    You are on the right track to look at precision references since the system accuracy can't be better than your ADC reference. There are many design considerations for an analog sensor design you must consider in order to get to the system accuracy you desire (ADC specs like INL, DNL, offset, gain error; voltage reference, supply noise, layout, input bias current offset, EMI etc.).  So if you can avoid analog go with digital.

    What is the time frame of stability/drift are you looking for (e.g. 5 or 10 years) and the stability/drift specs?


    Thermal conduction will be dominated by the metal leads or solder bumps (depending on package type). Using copper planes will help with the thermal response. The thermal conductivity of copper is ~300x higher than the package mold compound just to give you a sense. So you want to design the layout with that in mind.

    A few other things that might affect your measurement stability are convection and radiation.  The faster the air flow the smaller the thermal time constant (faster settling).


    -Kelvin

  • The operating temperature range is very limited, certainly less than 0 to 50 C, maybe as small as 15 to 30 C. The present supply voltage seems to stay stable to a few microvolts, maybe better. This is a very specialized piece of test equipment we are building. We normally build computer controlled systems to calibrate such equipment and some of the more complicated calibration runs take 12 hours. So, process time is not really an issue. The entire system specs will be determined by how accurately we can resolve changes in temperature of the main pressure sensor. The time frame for stability is about 1 year. That is our normal recommended recalibration schedule. But what I really need to know is whether it is better to heat sink through the pcb or add another heatsink to the top or side of the device to better heat sink it to the pressure sensor we are calibrating. It appears from the data for this particular sensor, the LMT70, that there is a much lower thermal impedance path to the outside through either the top or the sides of the device. In fact, in one of the TI application notes it recommends adding "underfill material" that not only goes underneath, but partially up the sides of the device.

    Thanks for the information.

    Regards,

    Felix
  • The most thermal conductive side of LMT70 is the bottom as indicated in the app note.  The underfill material improves the conductivity from the pcb to the die by removing the air gap.  I would recommend placing the heat sink at the bottom of the pcb and add copper planes with vias to optimize conduction to the die. Also use thermal grease.

    I will need to follow up with the stability spec and get back to you.

    -Kelvin

  • Felix,

    The time stability is specified in the Electrical Characteristic table to be ±0.1oC for 10k hours at 90oC.

    -Kelvin