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TDC1000-TDC7200EVM: Measuring level from top (short distance; through glass, metal, or plastic)

Part Number: TDC1000-TDC7200EVM

Challenge

Measure level from top of a glass bulb, metal sight gauge, or plastic reservoir. The glass is ~5 mm thick, the metal is ~1 cm thick with some depth variance (see "mounted sensors" photos below), and the plastic is ~2 mm thick. The sensor cannot be exposed to the liquid i.e. on the inside of the container. 

Problem

While I have successfully set up the TDC1000-TDC7200EVM with an oscilloscope to measure level from the bottom of a glass cylinder, I cannot get any echo signal to register when I try measuring through air from the top of the "tank".


Attempts to solve problem

Transducers used: 

  1. 10 mm 215 KHz SMD10T2R111WL
  2. 15 mm 1 MHz SMD15T21R111WL
  3. Gas flow 200 KHz SMFM20F200HG

Mounted sensors:

 Underside of sight gauge cap

I have followed the Using Ultrasonic Sensing to Monitor Level in Tanks document and mounted the 10 mm and 15 mm piezo transducers on the top of each "tank" with the proper adhesive.

I have read through (and tried to replicate as best I can) Matthew's post regarding short distance measurements through air. Unfortunately, I have been unable to tweak the register setting to replicate any sort of echo--I'm assuming because I don't have the GASEVM. 

Setup with transducer #3:

Instead, I get an output that looks like this:

Any help, suggestions, or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

  • Hi Gordon,

    As mentioned in Matt's post, the attenuation of the signal is much greater through air, so you will need a more sensitive transducer, a greater excitation voltage, a lower frequency, or all of the above to get a good signal through air. The third transducer you try (200khz) is the best suited for air measurements of the ones listed. However, unless you have modified the TDC1000-TDC7200EVM, you will not see good results with it. There is a bandpass filter between the PGA output and the comparator input that is centered at 1Mhz. It will be severely attenuating the signal from a 200khz transducer. The filter values from the TDC1000-GASEVM will provide a better bandpass filter for this application. They are shown in the schematic in the user's guide here: www.ti.com/.../sniu026a.pdf

    Regards,
  • Hi Scott,

    Thank you for the reply. If I were to place the 15 MHz transducer on the bottom like this

    do you think that the lower tank "wall" has too much mechanical variation for the TDC1000-TDC7200EVM to send and receive a good signal? Or, do you think I should be able to play with the registry settings to get a proper reading?

  • Hi Gordon,

    Because of the shape of the inside of the pipe you will likely get multiple echoes. One will be from the interface between the pipe internals and the liquid, and the other will be between the liquid and the air at the top of the container. As long as the TDC1000 is set up in multi-echo mode, and you have it set to show multiple stop signals, you should be able to get a valid return echo. It will certainly take some playing around with the gain and threshold register settings. You should also be able to blank out the first echo from the pipe/liquid interface, so you don't have to deal with multiple stops if that fits better.

    Regards,
  • Thank you, Scott. This is helpful. I'll get back to testing.