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AWR1243: Rx gain dependent spurs

Part Number: AWR1243

Hi, 

I am observing spurs in FFT of adc data and was wondering if this has been observed by TI as well. I have two sets of AWR1243 BOOST + MMWAVEDEVPACK + TSW1400 boards and my observation is present across both sets of boards. 

Board Sets: AWR1243BOOST + MMWAVEDEVPACK + TSW1400. 
Chip Config: Single Chip
SW: Latest Radar Studio and latest mmwave dfp (0.09.01.06)

Data Capture Config: All Tx off, All Rx ON, Fullpower ADC, LVDS 4 lanes at 600 Mbps, Data format: Complex 2x
                                     Cont Stream: 77 GHz, Data Rate: 37.5 MHz, Rx Gain: Varied from 24 to 48 dB, 16384 samples collected, 16 averages. 

After receiving the data with the TSW1400 board, I post processed the data in Matlab with appropriate scaling of FFT to convert data to dBFs. I performed a windowed 16384 pt fft and averaged the fft output of 16 data frames. I did not remove the DC for the plots that I show in this post. I matched the result with the post processing script that is provided with radar studio and they lined up. 

 Rx1

Rx2

Rx3

Rx4

At low gains (24 to 36 dB) I observe spurs at different IF frequencies for all the receiver channels.

The magnitude of the spurs does not change with Rx gain. As the gains are increased to 42 and 48 dB, the spurs are  not observed because the noise floor is also gained up.

The spurs do not increase in magnitude with increasing gain. When I performed multiple captures, the magnitude of the spurs dont change drastically. Occasionally may be one in ten times, I do get a clean spectrum even at minimum gain but it is not repeatable. 

I changed the data rate to 20 MHz, and the spurs still show up at lower gains. Changing the LO frequency from 77 to 78 and 79 GHz does not move the spurs.

I would greatly appreciate your help. Thank you !

RJ 

  • Hello RJ,
    These spurs are present at the ADC and hence are at a fixed level. When you use high gains the spurs done show up since the noise floor is dominated by the front end. At lower gains the ADC spurs start showing up.
    But in practical scenario , with TX ON , these spurs would end up being below the noise floor and should not cause an issue.

    Regards,
    Vivek
  • Hi Vivek,
    Thank you for the reply. I am assuming you mean the Tx/Rx isolation plus phase noise will raise the noise floor enough that these ADC spurs will be buried underneath ?

    What is the root cause of these spurs ? Are these related to the architecture of the sigma delta modulator ?

    Regards,
    RJ