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FDC1004EVM: Is it defect?

Part Number: FDC1004EVM

Hello Texas forum,

I have over the past couple of days been struggling with my configuration of the fdc1004EVM module. 

I am trying to use the board in order to make a liquid level sensor. I have followed the application note: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/snoa925/snoa925.pdf

My problem though is that it doesn't seem to work no matter what I try. 

When I did differential measurement, I set it up like this:

8 electrodes.:

Inside layer:
Level_Electrode1 - connected to Cin1
Level_Electrode2 - connected to Shield2
REF_Electrode1 - connected to Cin2
REF_Electrode2 - connected to shield 2

Outside layer
Level_Electrode1_Shield - connected to shield 1
Level_Electrode2_shield - connected to shield 2
REF_Electrode1_shield - connected to shield 1
REF_Electrode2_shield - connected to shield 2

And my configuration looked like this:

After that I got the following result, which looks fine but the problem was that the moment my hand got near the cup, the results got messy and non-usable. 

When it didn't work I wanted to test if the excitations for each shield actually was in phase or out of phase. 
I then set up a second experiment, where I first did a single-ended measurement for each of the 4 channels and that worked without a doubt.
I then tried connecting 1 shield to the outer layer and 1 level sensor at the inner layer as shown below.

That didn't work either so I tried connecting my analog discovery to Cin1 and to shield2 to see if they were actually out of phase which, as I understand it, they should be in order for the setup to work.
What I was curious about is that no matter which shield or which Channel I scoped. Everything were just in phase. And below, you can see how I did my measurement. for 3 different examples:

As you can see everything is in phase and that is my conclusion to why it doesn't work. So my question is if its supposed to do so or if I have completely misunderstood how it should work.
I hope this is enough to see my problem.

Thank you! :)

  • I also discovered this when I did a single-ended measurement with cin1|Gnd and shield2

  • Hi Morten,
    We've got your request. We will get back to you as soon as possible.

    Best Regards,
    Bala Ravi
  • Hi Bala Ravi,

    I don't know if you have any explanation for my issue but I am still wondering if my EVM board is defect. 
    Do you have anything to add to my post or should I just assume that the module is broken?

    - Also I need to add that at some point doing the testing of the board I accidently connected one of my shield pins directly to Gnd. Could that have damaged the excitation of my shields in any way?

    Best regards
    Morten

  • Hi Morten,
    Sorry about the delayed response. For the OoP technique to work properly you need to have symmetry of the channel and shield electrodes. Please refer to Figure 5 and Section 3.2 of the following app note that you may have already read: www.ti.com/.../snoa925.pdf. If OoP is configured properly you shouldn't notice so much change in capacitance with hand movement. CIN1/2 is in phase with Shield 1 and CIN3/4 is in phase with Shield 2. And Shield 1 and 2 are out of phase by 180 deg.

    So your scope captures of Shield 2 vs CIN 2 and Shield 1 vs Shield 2 should had been out of phase by 180 deg. Can you please explain your last scope capture along with what caused the middle region of the plot? Just to make sure your device is working properly, can you please try the experiment with no liquid and check the excitation voltage at Shield 1 and Shield 2. If the excitation voltage is out-of-phase then your device is working properly.

    Finally can you please have your oscillation voltage set between 1.2V to 1.8V, I noticed from all your scope captures that this was usually above 2V. You can read about why the excitation voltage needs to be between 1.2V to 1.8V in the following app note: www.ti.com/.../snoa950.pdf (Section 2).

    Best Regards,
    Bala Ravi

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  • Hi Morten,
    I will go ahead and close this thread. If your issue is unresolved please start a new thread.

    Best Regards,
    Bala Ravi