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TDC1000-C2000EVM: Short circuiting 0 ohm resistor between TX1 and RX2 of TDC1000.

Part Number: TDC1000-C2000EVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TDC1000, TDC7200, TUSS4470, TUSS4440

We used the reference design of TDC1000-C2000 EVM to design our PCB with TDC1000 and TDC7200.

Can we short circuit the 0 ohm resistor between TX1 and RX2 signals of TDC1000 and use the common signal to be connected to Transducer?

Thank you

-ns murthy

  • ns murthy,

    Yes, you can short TX1 and RX2 to each other to enable a mono-static mode of operation to burst-and-listen using the same transducer. With this hardware configuration, you will need to ensure TOF_MEAS_MODE=0, so that CH_SEL=0 (channel 1) makes TX1 active and RX2 active.

    Note: we have released a new family of ultrasonic devices supporting up to 1MHz transducer operation: the TUSS4440 and TUSS4470, which are intended to displace the TDC1000 due to improved performance and integrated features. We recommend using these TUSS44x0 devices instead of the TDC1000 moving forward.

  • Thanks for the timely response.

    We will move to TUSS4470.

    1.  Is there any IC like TDC7200(Stop watch) for TUSS4470 to support so that CPU is less burdened?

    2. It seems that TUSS44x0  is very new. Can we use them in our production or wait until a few months to receive the customer feedback.:


    Thanks
    -ns murthy

  • ns murthy,

    Responding to your questions:

    1) The TDC72xx series is the only IC dedicated for time-to-digital conversion, but you can also use a simple low-end microcontroller with a single timer as an alternative. The TDC72xx can support pico-second resolution (mainly for LiDAR), which is excessive for most ultrasonic applications. Depending on the step resolution you require, micro-second resolution tends to be sufficient for ultrasonic time of flight capture. Note: the TUSS44x0 combines that start and stop pulses on a single pin (O3), so you only need to allocate one pin and one timer on your master controller to capture and convert the time-to-digital.

    2) The TUSS44x0 is available for mass production now.

  • Thanks for the reply.

    Understood that a low power MCU is sufficient for ultrasonic Applications.

    I have one last question. For us this is very crucial. 

    Is the series TUSS44x0 can be used for "WATER FLOW" measurement in addition to "LEVEL" measurement ????
    If not please suggest some other IC which supports both level and flow measurement.

    Also point to some Application note for the same.


    Thank you very much
    - n s murthy


  • n s murthy,

    The TUSS44x0 series is a general purpose ultrasonic driver and front end, so yes, you can use it for both water flow and level measurements. You can use the echo interrupt feature of pin O4 on the TUSS44x0 to get a similar digital toggle effect of the TDC1000's start and stop pulses to capture the time-of-flight using an MCU timer input or the TDC7200 device.

    The TUSS44x0 devices are single channel devices, so you only need one for level measurements, but will need to use two TUSS44x0 devices in a flow measurement system (for up and down stream) measurements. Alternatively, you can use one TUSS44x0, and multiplex the transducer pairs to alternate transmit and receive direction for up and down stream measurements.

    Given the TUSS44x0 are new, we are still working on content and applications notes for applications such as water flow and level sensing.

  • As we already made a PCB board using TDC1000 and TDC7200 for the purpose of water flow  measurement , Can we continue with this (not for level measurement) combo to go ahead, test and deploy?  Any warning bells???. Please explain.


  • n s murthy,

    You can continue to use the TDC1000+TDC72000 combination for water flow measurement, but you are taking a risk a inconsistent accuracy due to a device bug whereby the first stop pulse is occasionally missed (does not toggle STOP pin on TDC1000). Considering flow metering relies heavily on nano to pico-second timing accuracy, missing the stop pulse can have a significant impact on the flow rate measurement. As a workaround, it is possible to perform multi-cycle averaging to compensate for the occasionally missed first stop pulse.

    You can see this issue discussed in more detail with another user on this E2E post: https://e2e.ti.com/support/sensors/f/1023/t/794398?TDC1000-TDC1000-no-stop-signal

    The TUSS44x0 devices do not have a first stop pulse issue. The TUSS44x0's O3 pin Echo Interrupt feature is similar to the digital toggle of the TDC1000's START/STOP pin functionality, but combined into a single pin.



  • 1. Can TDC7200 be interfaced with TUSS44x0 ???
        if so we will connect the TDC7200 to the first TUSS44x0  to measure TOF  and use the other TUSS44x0   for exciting ultrasonic pulses.

    2. If it is possible, can you provide us the interface circuit diagram for TDC7200 with TUSS44x0 .  

      
    Thanks
    -n s murthy




  • n s murthy,

    I suspect it should be possible to use the TUSS44x0 devices with the TDC7200. The difference is that the TUSS44x0 combines the START and STOP pin functionality of the TDC1000 onto a single pin called O4 (output 4 for echo interrupt). Because of this, the TUSS44x0's O4 pin should be routed to both the START and STOP pins of the TDC7200. Technically, the first STOP (TIME1) will be the same as the START, so you'll always need to configure the TDC7200 to store at least two STOP captures to get the first real STOP at TIME2.

    Be advised: This is implementation is all conceptual, and has not yet been validated. We eventually plan to test and create reference circuit material for the TUSS44x0 + TDC7200 to confirm this use-case. For your test purposes, please consider the TUSS4470 device specifically to support to 1MHz operation.

  • Any timelines for your(Texas)  validation and documentation  so that we plan accordingly???


    -n s murthy



  • Considering the large amount of interest surrounding ultrasonic flow metering using the TUSS44x0, and the need for a reliable solution to displace the TDC1000 approach, we will likely prioritize this type of application's validation/documentation. No specific content plan timelines are available at this moment, but we will follow-up with more details as they become available.