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TINA/Spice: AC Transfer CHaracteristics Discrepancies between <meter name> and VP_<meter name> nodes

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TINA-TI

Tool/software: TINA-TI or Spice Models

In my TINA simulation circuits, if I have nodes of interest, I attach a meter.

If that net couples to a series of subcircuits.  I use the following convention:

A node of interest will have a METER as well as a JUMPER attached.

In all cases, the Jumper has a matching connection elsewhere in the circuit under simulation.

In all cases, the I/O STATE of both jumper and meter are OUTPUT.

The naming convention I use, to avoid confusion, is to prefix the METER NAME with a "V" in front of the JUMPER NAME.

With the Save All Analysis Results enabled in Analysis->Options, I request a Bode Plot (Analysis->AC Analysis->AC Transfer Characteristics...).

I call the Trace Editor (View->Show/Hide Traces in the diagram window), and I observe the following available traces in the trace list, with all trace filters checked:

  1. An internal TINA named-trace, called JUMPER NAME prefixed with a "VP_" (effectively the net was named by my named JUMPER)
    1. This trace toggles its checkbox when I select the net's wire junction itself
  2. My named METER name also appears as an available trace

For years, I had assumed that selecting the meter name was just as good as the internally named net, especially since I deliberately place a meter on nodes of interest.

But in this more complicated design, I now notice that I have different gains and phase shifts between the TINA internally named (VP_ prefixed net) trace and the meter's named trace.

Note that the the TINA NET NAME TRACE reveals what I would expect from the circuit design, whereas the METER-NAMED TRACE consistently does not.

These differences are significant and I do not know why they exist.  Though I understand that the internal TINA traces saved for optional viewing are expected to be correct, why would a user meter ever display completely different AC characteristics when attached to the same net? 

Happy holidays, and thank you for clarifying this unexpected result.

  • Hi Ivan,

    We'll take a look. Do you happen to have your test bench for this issue? Can you upload it for us?

    Thanks,
    Herman
  • Hi Ivan,

    I cannot duplicate the problem you mentioned here. I tested by naming internal net (VP_1), naming Jumper (VP_1) and Meter (V_VP_1) and they all show the same gain and phase.

    There is one possibility that is pretty tricky in TINA that is the wiring. Make sure that your wire is truly connected with each other around that particular node. Make sure they are truly "one node" point. There is possibility that the your meter is connected to different node than the net name/jumper because unseen disconnect in the wire.

    Beyond this, I am not quite sure if we can help you further without you uploading your test bench or your problem case for us. So please upload your .TSC file on this post so that we can help you further if you still suspect that there is problem with TINA after reinspecting the wiring as I recommend above.

    Herman