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WEBENCH® Tools/LMZM33606: DC analysis doesn't work

Part Number: LMZM33606
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TINA-TI

Tool/software: WEBENCH® Design Tools

Dear support team,

I exported LMZM33606 Webench model to Tina TI model. DC analysis with the attached model doesn't work.
Could you please check it?

webench_design_4805041_30.TSC

Best Regards,
Hirokazu Takahashi

  • Hi Hirokazu-san

    We are able to replicate the issue.We are currently verifying the feasibility of performing the DC analysis on a Webench exported model.

    We shall keep you updated on the same.

    Thanks and Regards,

    Umayal

  • Hi Hirokazu-san,

    The TINA-TI export option in WEBENCH exports the start-up test-bench. Hence the test-bench is compatible to perform transient analysis. DC analysis may not work fine.

    If you are interested to view steady-state values/results of various node voltages/branch current, you can add voltage/current probes & run transient analysis (Ctrl+Alt+T to run transient analysis) to attached TINA-TI test-bench.

    Kindly note that the test-bench has been modified to directly view steady-state results by skipping initial start-up behavior. 

    /cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/234/LMZM33606_5F00_steady_2D00_state.TSC

    Below are the points to note:

    1. Add appropriate Vin, Vout and Iout parameter values based on your input/output conditions as highlighted in below snapshots.

    2.  In case you export any new design from WEBENCH, kindly replace the TINA-TI macro with the one attached below.

    /cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/234/LMZM33606.TSM

    Please follow below steps to replace the Macro in TINA-TI.

    a. Delete the existing  macro/IC from the exported design. Right click on IC symbol & click on delete as shown below.

    b. To add new Macro, go to Insert -> Macro and insert the macro/symbol in the test-bench.

    Kindly let us know in case you have any queries.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Harish

  • Dear Support team.

    I tried DC Analysys using the attached TSC file.

    I got an below error message.

    "Component: U1  LMZM33606RLXR1.X_U1_U3_U677.D_D10"

    What's mean this error message?

    Thanks and regards.

    Kawamura

  • Hi Kawamura-san,

    As mentioned in my previous reply, the TINA-TI exports from WEBENCH doesn't work well for DC analysis. You can instead run transient analysis and probe desired current or voltages and view the steady-state results for the TINA model attached in my previous reply.

    This will be similar to running DC analysis. Kindly let us know in case you have any queries.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Harish

  • Hi Harish-san,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I understood that export circuit from WEBENCH can't work DC analysis on Tina-TI.

    I ran the transient analysis using the file you gave me. It went well. Thanks.

    I have additional questions.

    1.How do I analysis Input and output  wattage?(I want to know efficiency.)

    2.Do I have to change device macros when I want to analyze a WEBENCH circuit using another device.

        If Yes, how do I change a macro?

    Thanks and regards.

    Kawamura

  • Hi Kawamura-san,

    Below are my answers to your queries.

    1. How do I analysis Input and output  wattage?(I want to know efficiency.)

    Harish - In general, efficiency can be calculated as (Vout*Iout) / (Vin*Iin) where Iin is the input current that flows into IC through Vin pin.

    But the SPICE models (Electrical models) supported may not provide accurate loss analysis as the power dissipation parameters like quiescent current, MOSFET switching losses etc are not accurately modeled. 

    You can instead use WEBENCH charts to get the efficiency at different loads, Vin voltage as shown in below snapshot.

    2.Do I have to change device macros when I want to analyze a WEBENCH circuit using another device.

        If Yes, how do I change a macro?

    Harish - When you use export feature from WEBENCH for particular device, there is no need to change the macro if you want to run start-up test-bench.

    In my first post, I had to modify the macro so as to directly provide you the steady-state behaviour by skipping the startup behaviour. 

    There is no generic solution that can help across all the devices to configure start-up test-bench into steady-state test-bench.

    Kindly let us know in case you have further queries.

    Thanks & Regards,

    Harish

  • Hi Harish-san

    Thank you for your reply.

    With this answer, all the questions are gone. 

    Thanks and Regards.

    Kawamura