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WEBENCH® Tools/TLV6001: TLV6001, ADC sampling capacitor and S+H selection

Part Number: TLV6001
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: ISO224EVM, , TMS320F28377D

Tool/software: WEBENCH® Design Tools

hello,

I have one question regarding to ADC acquisition window. In order to achieve rated resolution, the signal source needs to charge the sampling capacitor in the ADC core to within 0.5LSBs of the signal voltage. According to TI recommendation CS should be atleast 20 X CH .The Cs is mostly just there to prevent the driving op-amp from slewing when the sample occurs.  later i have seen ISO224EVM Evaluation Module  SLAU733 page 3  in which after TLV6001 ,R is selected as 47 ohm and C is selected 100pf.  is it right? 100pf is less than 20 times CH, S+H is 85ns and ACQPS is 16 for this . i think S+h time is too fast to charge sampling capacitor. and if  ADC clock is 50MHZ then ADC conversion time is about 205ns then total sample time is 290ns, then maximum throughput will be 3.4MHZ.  could you please explian why TI used C as 100pf because it not right according to TI recommendation and one more question i am using double loop controller outer loop and voltage and inner loop is current loop. usually inner loop is faster and have have high bandwidth than voltage loop. if i want current loop faster hand having faster sampling i need to reduce value of CS i mean less than 100pf so that i will be faster than voltage loop but again its S+H will be too low. and i am not sure S+H time is enough of charging of sampling and hold capacitor. if i  use primary PWM 50KHZ and secondary PWM is 100KHZ to trigger ADC then sample rate will be 100KHZ. for 100KHZ ADC sample rate how much S+H i should need. for current and voltage loops.  neither too fast nor too slow thanks

  • Hello Shah,

    I do not believe the RC on the output of the TLV6001 on the ISO224EVM is optimized for any specific ADC sampling rate or resolution. I believe the it is only intended to function as an RC filter.

    The RC filter and op amp used to drive an ADC are dependent on the sampling time, resolution, full scale input range, and sampling capacitor inside of the ADC. It is possible that for a given sampling rate and resolution the TLV6001 may not be the correct amplifier to use because it may not have sufficient bandwidth to drive the ADC. We have a very useful tool, The Analog Engineer's Calculator, that will calculate the required resistor, capacitor, and op amp bandwidth to drive an ADC. I would also recommend watching out TI Precision Labs on ADCs.

    Regarding your question about the inner and outer loop circuit, can you please post a schematic of the circuit you are referring to? I think you may be talking about what we refer to as a composite amplifier, but i would like to make sure. Please see Section 6.2 of TI Precision Lab Videos on ADCs for a composite amplifier.

    Thank you,

    Tim Claycomb

  • thanks alot i have downloaded  The Analog Engineer's Calculator,  and it is pretty good tool for circuit designing.  i  am using TMS320f28377D when i saw data sheet why there is not mentioned which ADC module is used? and  i am using 12 bit single ended ADC with 3.3 full scale range and internal CSH is 14.5pf but i could not find what is acquisition time for 12 bit SAR ADC?  after calculator calculates value for CS and RS i need to find S+H and ACQPS and is it necessary acquisition time and S+H time should be same?

    this is my circuit topology for dual loop PI controller, I am confused how to design charge bucket circuit for both voltage and current sensor. current loop bandwidth is higher than voltage loop and usually current sensor is faster than voltage sensor. so its sampling should be higher than voltage but I am confused how much higher it can be ? I am using 50 HZ sine wave with 50KHZ switching frequency so i need 1000 samples of sine table. Is there any relationship of voltage PI and current PI controller with RC charge bucket circuit ?

  • Hi Shah,

    I am not very familiar with the TMS320f28377D because I mainly support op amps. But looking through the datasheet of TMS320f28377D I believe the acquisition time can be found in table 5-44 of the datasheet. However, I recommend creating another E2E forum thread about the TMS320f28377 to verify the acquisition time is understood correctly.

    The charge bucket will be an RC filter on the output of the amplifier with components dependent on what is provided in the Analog Engineers Calculator tool.

    Thank you,

    Tim Claycomb

  • Hi Shah,

    I have not heard from you in about a week. Do you need additional support related to the TLV6001?

    Thank you,

    Tim Claycomb

  • sorry i was too busy and i have solved my program it really helped me a lot thank you very much

  • Hi Shah,

    I'm glad you were able to solve your problem. If you need additional support in the future please let us know.

    Thank you,

    Tim Clayomb