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In reply to srinath mallikarjunan:
Robert Chensimple is beautiful.
I am wondering whether there is something wrong with the appearance of MotorWare.exe for Motorware 18, or this is only happened in my computer (since nobody reported it). I use Windows 8.1 pro for my PC.
It does not disturb the work anyway, only I can't browse the documents from the Motoware application.
In reply to Maria Todorova:
In reply to Sean Bigley:
In reply to Kyle Bartholomew:
Whoever is in charge of marketing for TI has got it completely wrong.
There are some great products in the ROM like FAST, system identification etc...,and all that's needed is API documentation, code and a miniaturised lab guide (Why should the lab guide go into minute CCS details like press this button in top right corner, press that button here etc...?)
It took me 1 day to write a new current/torque controller using the FAST observer, but it took me 2 weeks to wade through the bloatware called motorware and the 300 page labguide (that could be shrunk to 30 pages), making me wonder if it's really worth the trouble. After all other companies like ST, NXP also offer their own observer's on ROM.
Coming to "controlSuite", less said the better. Why do i need schematics for every Dev board TI has made since it's inception ? And again, provided as an exe!!
I think motorware should be renamed bloatware & controlSuite should be renamed as junkSuite.
You guys are killing a great combination of products called instaSpin with really bad documentation and piling on layer upon layer of irrelevant junk on a customer.
Thanks for the feedback.
I'll try to give you some reasoning...but we know that the overall experience could be improved.
Why deliver as an .exe?
- this is just common SW distribution practice. At one point we distributed the .exe in a .zip, but some systems don't like that.
- most people have a positive experience with the .exe since it easily lets them browse the contents of the installation. Without it you wouldn't find all available resources (especially when some of the resources are only on-line, some are in controlSUITE, etc.). In fact, the complaint about not finding InstaSPIN_labs.pdf wouldn't have occurred if you started with MotorWare.exe and browsed the resources.
Why controlSUITE also?
- Two reasons. The first is that customers want the HW files for the EVMS, but we didn't want to duplicate them in MotorWare (and have it reach 6GB as well) so we pointed people to controlSUITE. There has been a transition at TI to putting HW files into their own download though and trying to keep SW distribution products like controlSUITE smaller. You'll see this as we transition to C2000Ware and C2000Ware + Software Development Kit (SDK) type of process.
- Second, MotorWare was originally planned to be completely self enclosed, with all necessary software drivers included. Unfortunately this didn't happen for a variety of reasons so we fell back on pointing people to controlSUTIE examples for integrating the software outside of the main motor control system. It isn't a very elegant solution.
- MotorWare v18 is planned to the be the last release for F2806x/5x/2x enabled InstaSPIN devices. For new InstaSPIN devices we are moving to C2000Ware for the baseline software infrastructure and then Application SDK (which include a version of C2000Ware) which shows the full application. So there will be a MotorWare SDK for these next gen InstaSPIN devices.
Regarding general comments about just having FAST and a 30pg API guide, etc:
- I would say you are in the minority on this one and likely have significant motor control expertise. We welcome users like you but understand that MotorWare/InstaSPIN was not initially designed for high expertise customers. We released the proj_lab11 examples to try to fill this gap (in-line code which is more easily adaptable to custom control and just FAST as an estimator) but we did not simplify the rest of the documentation. In the next version of InstaSPIN the library interface, labs and user's guide will be simplified.
Regarding the GUI:
- Your description fits the INSTASPINUNIVERSALGUI accurately, but I still find it much easier to use than the CCS Expressions described in the Lab Guide. However, for the initial 3 EVMs (HVKIT, DRV8312, DRV8301-69M) there is also a demonstration GUI which is quite extensive to show off the capabilities of InstaSPIN-FOC and -MOTION: motorkitscncd69miso
In reply to ChrisClearman:
Srinath, Kyle, and Robert,
The TI C2000 development team follows the forum and appreciates your feedback. Thank you for taking the time. As Chris mentions, we know there are a number of things we could do better and are making progress.
I wanted to add to Chris’ comments regarding bloat and installer issues. In January we introduced C2000Ware. This package will be our platform moving forward for foundation/lowest level software. These are libraries that would be common across application areas.
Our goal is to make all of our software look similar with an easy out-of-the-box experience. Unfortunately it will take us some time. Please continue to send constructive feedback. I’ve noted additional items you have mentioned in this thread already.
Lori HeustessC2000 Software Engineering
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